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Split Still Wide on Health Care

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posted on May, 6 2009 @ 09:51 AM
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Split Still Wide on Health Care


www.rollcall.com

“It’s a big problem, [state health care]” Senate Republican Conference Chairman Lamar Alexander (Tenn.) said. “It’s like putting an elephant in the room with some mice and saying, ‘Okay fellas, compete.’ There wouldn’t be any mice left after a while.”
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posted on May, 6 2009 @ 09:51 AM
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interesting argument coming from the right wing which generally talks about the importance of an unregulated market being the BEST type because it PROMOTES competition.

So are we to understand that the system being proposed by the government is going to be SO superior to the current privet sector health care that the private sector is just going to be decimated by the public plan?

Is it true that private insurers are capable of doing so little to 'compete' that any introduction of a new system would cause their collapse rather than their improvement via competition?

In a nation with 45,000,000 people who are unable to obtain insurance something must be done, and since the private companies have not been willing to anything for these people the only obvious solution become the government stepping in and helping out where private companies have failed to.

But now they are worried that they will not be able to compete? What a joke, it was their inability to improve that lead to this. I think it is either time they make the necessary changes or slip into irrelevance just like they have been doing for decades.

www.rollcall.com
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posted on May, 6 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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It's not about right or left.

Would you rather want the government to take control of health care?

Come on think!!

The answer should be simple.




posted on May, 6 2009 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by Animal

Split Still Wide on Health Care


www.rollcall.com

“It’s a big problem, [state health care]” Senate Republican Conference Chairman Lamar Alexander (Tenn.) said. “It’s like putting an elephant in the room with some mice and saying, ‘Okay fellas, compete.’ There wouldn’t be any mice left after a while.”
(visit the link for the full news article)



actually elephants run away from mice. Looks like the mice would win

Health cares a huge issue in the U.S. After living in Canada for a while, and seeing our crappy doctors, I'm really not for it at all. It's nice, but I like the way it is in the U.S. right now



posted on May, 6 2009 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by Animal
 


It's not about right or left.

Would you rather want the government to take control of health care?

Come on think!!

The answer should be simple.



It is VERY simple.

Having a wife from Europe and being exposed to the health care she grew up with I am 150% FOR single payer health care paid for through taxes.

Though the actual technology int he USA may be top notch the health care system is CLEARLY broken.

It's funny, my wife is actually AFRAID to go to the doctor here as our system appears so backwards to her as to appear unsafe.



posted on May, 6 2009 @ 02:38 PM
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So you would want to pay for everyone else's health care?



Just google the UK's health care system and see how much worse that is before you start trashing our health care system.

I agree we should reform our health care system-- but why would you want the government to take over?

This is a conspiracy site. You know you're on a conspiracy website right?



posted on May, 6 2009 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
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So you would want to pay for everyone else's health care?



That's exactly what's happening now. The high number of people who have no health insurance because they either can't afford it or choose to not have it, are a drain on the system causing providers to charge more than they otherwise would in part to make up for the people who aren't paying anything to anyone for their health care.

Do YOU currently pay health insurance premiums? For a family? Any idea how expensive it is? Had a claim lately? Did your ultra expensive insurance pay all of it, or were you left holding the bag for costs above "reasonable and customary"? Do you know why?



posted on May, 6 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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I don't pay for health care... I'm in college and I'm still learning etc etc and I don't have a full time job yet and I'm not working yet. But I have some ideas as to how to reform the health care system. Why on Earth would anyone want the government to take over? Trust me, it's not a good idea. It'll just add to the national debt. How about we reduce taxes by like 30% and then people would probably be able to afford it more? We could do a lot more to reform it... but really do you want the evil government to take over?



posted on May, 6 2009 @ 03:18 PM
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My point being, "paying for everyone else's health care" is exactly what's happening NOW. Only in a very inequitable manner.



posted on May, 6 2009 @ 06:37 PM
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I see your point. One of the talking points during the election was that we need a government controlled health care (socialized health care). I wanted health care for everyone I just didn't know that was what they meant. What can we do to educate the masses that this isn't a good idea?



posted on May, 6 2009 @ 06:50 PM
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NO, it was not a "govt. controlled" health care system - you are skewering the words it is "affordable" to everyone health care system!!

Look at our govt. officials - they got the most wonderful health care - guess what? It is a govt. benefit -

I know a thing or 2 about this subject - I don't have health insurance - I used to. But my coverage co. went back into old files of my docs and found one time, I had told him I was "depressed" about financial set backs.

Guess what? Those suckers cut my insurance immediately and took it retroactive years, as if I NEVER had insurance with them from the beginning. They said it was a "pre existing condition" BS!

They have been doing this everywhere.

So, the story goes.... what happened last year, I needed surgery. Unaffordable here - would have been around the 50 to 100k mark of money for me. What did I do............ I went to the other side of the world - Bangkok Thailand and had my surgery there - spent a month there. In fact it is exactly a year right now - that I was there. You know what my surgery and THE BEST HEALTHCARE I HAVE HAD IN MY LIFE cost?

Ready?

Everything - including 3 nights in a luxurious private room - all medications all surgeons cost EVERYTHING - $5800.00

Tells you where our health care system is!! The health care system here does not even come close to being as good as the hospital and health care system I encountered in Bangkok!!



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