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Originally posted by nutellajunkie
probably safe for a few more years over the north border anyway
Originally posted by Freelancer
This new measure does not make much sense on its own, and thats because we dont know, and can only guess at, the true hidden agenda behind its introduction
Originally posted by SugarCube
"If you have nothing to hide then what are you afraid of?"
This is the most common riposte in the face of criticism of intrusive policies and actions. However, it denies the basic principle of "presumption of innocence", coming from the Latin legal principle that "the burden of proof rests on who asserts, not on who denies".
It has a direct relationship to the assumption of "prohibition" rather than "allowance". For example, assuming that walking on the grass is prohibited unless specifically allowed as opposed to assuming that you can walk on the grass unless explicitly prohibited.
When people talk of occasionally producing an ID card to be checked then this smug statement of asinine belief in the ridiculous notion of "big brother" has some merit. Why would we bother about a simple request from a police officer to show who we are?
However, it misses the whole point that in the hands of our government, such cards will not be used for this simple purpose. Simply using the cards as a form of ID "upon request" is a pointless exercise in the pre-emption of crime. The cards are designed not to be used "after the fact" but as a preventative measure, therefore, once cards are rolled out whole-scale then appropriate measures can be taken to ensure that they can be used track holders.
Want to shop? First you have to scan your ID card at the checkout. Want to go to a nightclub? First you have to scan your card on the way in. Want to drive from one end of the country to the other? First you have to scan yourself in at toll booths. Buying a train ticket? ID Card.
How about this? If you can connect political orientation to the cards then you can stop people visiting specific areas. Think how much better it will be for democracy not to have to put up with civil protests! The ID card as envisioned by Ms. Smith can give you all of this and more!
Hell, why not roll it out to build localised borders? Block off the city of Westminster and scan everybody in and out. Paranoid? Yes, I definitely am paranoid. Without being paranoid I wouldn't know what to expect.
Just because I have nothing to hide, it doesn't mean that I should have to report my movements to the Government at their behest, the "superiority inferiority relationship".
ID cards are a waste of time UNLESS a government implements the tracking capabilities that go with them. I only fear the former as a prelude to the latter.
[edit on 6-5-2009 by SugarCube]
Sam Lowry is a low-level government employee ... One day he is assigned the task of trying to rectify an error created by a government mishap, causing the incarceration of Mr Archebald Buttle instead of the suspected terrorist, Archebald "Harry" Tuttle. When Sam visits Buttle's widow, he discovers Jill Layton ... the upstairs neighbor of the Buttles. Jill is trying to help Mrs Buttle find out what happened to her husband, but has gotten sick of dealing with the bureaucracy. Unbeknownst to her, she is now considered a terrorist friend of Tuttle for trying to report the mistake of Buttle's arrest in Tuttle's place to bureaucrats that would not admit such a mistake