Just wondering what your thoughts are on the threory that earth is a prison planet?

My own personal opinion is that many of us enter the earthly realm thinking we can hold or retain memories of what life is actually like in the higher realms and bring these previously learned skills or memories with us. Unfortunatly the veil of this physical reality seems to have a tendancy to prevent us from accesing these previous memories, ideas and ideals. The result is a kind of all pervading blindness that seems to have swept thoughout the human race. Many of my assumptions are based on my astral travel experiences which includes worlds which are far more advanced and 'in tune' with movement and harmonious activities in general.

So to sumarise is earth perhaps a prison planet whose physical laws and socialogical attitudes actually inhibit the spirit within?

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Where did you get your theory?

The only two places I have seen the term "prison planet" used, is by Scientologists, and by Alex Jones.

Based on the OP post or the nature of it I do not think the person is making reference to Alex Jones or his website. The thought of Earth being a prison planet was tossed out on the basis that due to the veil of forgetfulness and the affect is has on us we are prevented from growing spiritually.

I myself do not know, the thought may have some validity as the current state of life seems very slave like.

Hey ph

I fall over that headline..

Guess I agree with you in that point. Earth is like a prison. If you look at it, you will see that it starts with the body (we cant leave our bodies, until we are death. oobe´s are visions, but you must always return into your body.) and end somewhere in the mind and the civilisation is the mirror for.
We all have to do things what we dont wanna do. Sometimes. Some more, some less. But that point alone is like to be in prison.
If you are in prison, you cant do what you want. You cant go out. (I *god bless* never was there)
But its the same in the normal life. You cant leave your body. You cant leave your own mind.
Thats prison guess

See you

Nia

Heh heh - well - I guess it is what we make of it!



And - by all the evidence - yes - we have transformed it into an unecessarily Dystopian existence...

Perhaps it's time for the inmates to take over the Asylum!

My feeling has often been that if it is a prison, then it is a prison for the criminally insane.

Those of us who don't 'fit' elsewhere get sent here so as not to disrupt the harmony enjoyed in our original homes.

That would explain why there is so much emphasis on enlightenment or self-improvement, the longings we feel to get away and go to a 'better place'.

It would help to explain reincarnation and why we can't just go back when we die, we need to be 'purified' first to make us fit to go home not to some heaven. So we stay on the wheel of rebirth here.

Other possibilities include being prisoners of war. Being captured and dumped here by an opposing alien race can strike a chord with some people.

I haven't read anything by Alex Jones as far as I remember, and the ideas I came across during my brief association with Scientology didn't seem any weirder to me than ideas I'd already considered by myself.

In the end, as with most things, people will believe what makes the most sense to them. But I do find the idea of this planet being a prison extremely interesting.

Just to add, I think the last ten years has made me more inclined to think that the lunatics have taken over the asylum looking at our governments and their horrible antics.

Originally posted by TruthMagnet
Heh heh - well - I guess it is what we make of it!



And - by all the evidence - yes - we have transformed it into an unecessarily Dystopian existence...

Perhaps it's time for the inmates to take over the Asylum!

I agree, we can make a change for the better, and one of the many theories as to why this is so hard to do is the manipulation present in society...think about how a child views war, easily it's the most self-destructive thing we do continuously on this planet, and the most absurd, yet it goes on, and I think it is becoming clearer to a lot of people it is by design. I was about 6 or 7 when the Viet Nam war finally ended and I remember thinking, OK now we all get it that war is bad, we won't ever do that again!!

A critical mass much be reached. More people just saying "no" to bs that is no good for the human race and the planet, and not allowing themselves to be swayed by propaganda. The world is what we make of it, we can change it to a paradise, if that's what we want. Is that what we want??

Metaphysically speaking, well, I don't know but if I die and somebody tells me I need to come back here to experience more I'm going to ask for a 2nd opinion...

wow i feel that you are dead on with this one!! very good post

I've had a recurring dream that is one of the reasons I have an interest in this sort of thing. In the dream, I die and my spirit goes to a station run by extraterrestrials where I am asked several questions like how old my spirit is (apparently I'm a new spirit), and where I would like to reincarnate at (being a new spirit, I don't have much knowledge of the Universe, so I'm always at a loss for words at this point). I'm then put through some tests that I can never quite remember the details of, and then taken to a ship where my I am transported to my new home world. The dream ends before I'm reincarnated.

To a point I suppose this is a prison planet. We are separated from spirit by our bodies and our own spirit is confined. I have read many theories about the deep negativity associated with the earth realm and that this is a training grounds of sorts for those spirits seeking greater levels of progress. If you think about it, every person has the capacity for great love, but for whatever reason most of us act from the negative far easier.

Interesting.

Originally posted by redhead57
To a point I suppose this is a prison planet. We are separated from spirit by our bodies and our own spirit is confined. I have read many theories about the deep negativity associated with the earth realm and that this is a training grounds of sorts for those spirits seeking greater levels of progress. If you think about it, every person has the capacity for great love, but for whatever reason most of us act from the negative far easier.

Interesting.

Good post and reply. I agree.

Life is what you make it. Yes, we are caged in the physical body and the physical realm, but we can leave with our minds anytime we like. We can access other realms bu tusually choose not to. We came here for a reason, and that reason is not to leave, but to find a way to be here, is a small part of it.

If you see it as a prison, it is because you feel trapped, and don't want to be here. That is a mindstate. Surrounding yourself with negativity and negative information will tend to do this to a person.

For anyone feeling this way, I recommend going out into nature, by the water, a lake or ocean, or perhaps the mountains, but not somewhere you feel isolated from civilization. That is the problem. There are many people like yourself out there, but the plan is to keep us aprt and disconnected from each other, and from knowing there are others out there like us.

The Earth is a place to experience things you believe are real, but in fact and reality, are illusions you helped create, in order to grow and expand your individual soul.

Originally posted by pharaohmoan
Just wondering what your thoughts are on the threory that earth is a prison planet?

My own personal opinion is that many of us enter the earthly realm thinking we can hold or retain memories of what life is actually like in the higher realms and bring these previously learned skills or memories with us. Unfortunatly the veil of this physical reality seems to have a tendancy to prevent us from accesing these previous memories, ideas and ideals. The result is a kind of all pervading blindness that seems to have swept thoughout the human race. Many of my assumptions are based on my astral travel experiences which includes worlds which are far more advanced and 'in tune' with movement and harmonious activities in general.

So to sumarise is earth perhaps a prison planet whose physical laws and socialogical attitudes actually inhibit the spirit within?

[edit on 5-5-2009 by pharaohmoan]

I don't know what theory you're referring to but my thoughts:

Earth is not a prison planet but I agree with you to an extent. I think we enter the earthly realm knowing that we cannot hold or retain memories of what life is actually like in the higher realms and bring those previously learned skills or memories with us. We know when we choose to come here that the veil of this physical reality will help us to learn the things that we feel we are lacking spiritually. We choose Earth because we know it is hard and we choose the hard way in order to help us learn. If we'd have carried all of our soul's knowledge with us, we wouldn't be able to learn what we're here to learn.

Three different ideas have kept cropping up in my mind in the last few years.

The first: we are 'volunteers' (or not) in a socialogical experiment, trying different types of governments out. On this earth we have every different type of governmental system, including loads of different 'subrulers' like religions or media, all trying to rule. Is it possibly an experiment?

The second: In our 'normal' life, we don't understand things like hatred, or forgiveness or love or 'good and evil' etc. Maybe we get a shortterm insomnia and visit this planet as a sort of 'holiday' or experience, to learn more.

The third: This is hell! We can have everything, apart from that last final something. That is the way it is in life. Everytime you start digging your way out of a hole, just before you reach the top a boulder will knock you back down. And if you you are at the top and in complete control, then you realize, that you left, what you actually wanted, down at the bottom...


The fourth: We are a young planet, inhabited (i.e. life was scientifically programmed) by aliens, that (for some reason) had to let us develop to a certain point on our own. (See terra Papers) Problem with this theory: It ignores the spiritual side of things and that's where I end up looking back at suggestions 1-3 or just giving up. ^^


The prisonplanet theory fits in all of the theories.... First one: We are guinea pigs. Second one we are here to learn first hand, what would happen, if 'the law(s)' weren't enforced. Third one quite obvious and finally fourth theory: well, they had to create the prison, didn't they?

Hmmm.... You have given me something to think about. I think I'll S+F for that

Samuel

Nope no reference to Alex Jones or similar and thank you NW1111 for reminding me that we are also restricted in terms of not being able to leave our body. Yes our mind can float off at times but lets face it our imagination is somewhat restricted by what we have been exposed to in this lifetime plus few experience a total immersion into their imagination in a way that is either fulfilling or transcendental, in fact such states of being are normally restricted to those locked up in mental institutiions or shamans.

My reason for thinking this is a prison planet has nothing to do with being negative or not seeing or appreciating the finer things in life, i've been there and done that and appreciated nature etc for what it is and now to some extent it bores me, I want more, and what's important is I realise that potentially we are capable of so much more but refuse to act for fear of retribution or due to socialogical constraints.

For me life has been like compiling a thesis and the greater my accumulation of knowledge has been through trials and tribulations and experimentation the clearer my realisation that yes this is probably a prison planet and indeed some of what the last poster Aldolas mentioned may well be true or at the very least is a fitting hypothesis. My opinion is that those in denial of the possibility that this is a prison planet are in fact choosing to remain in ignorance just because it is easier to remain in this state rather than address the truth ( a common human trait ). So no life is not what I make it life is what WE make it. The change that is needed to bring about a hightened state of consciousness and a greater sense of happiness is a change that needs to be brought about en mass, not on an individual level but at a group level. In an attempt to please everybody society has lost its direction somewhat and radical thinking BIZZARLY is thought of as taboo. Incidently as a side note you should know that humans naturally like to ridicule others in order to inflate their own sense of wellbeing and ego. A very inferior trait indeed that leads to what is often a misguided psycology that rubs off easily on others who often agree with the ridiculer for fear of being singled out, rejected, or ridiculed themselves. I call this compliance and aliance.

I have seen society gradually become numb over the last few decades. You might say life is rather sterile and false nowdays, people are pretenders and put up a front that all is 'well and good' when realistically it is not, we are eons away from a state of grace and harmony and the irony is it's actually quite easy to achieve.

So assuming this is a prison, how does one break out of it? Where or what is the key? Are we subconsciously admitting defeat? Why do we continously refuse to raise our expectations in fulfiling at least some of our human potential?

Personally I believe many are incarcerated here destined to reincarnate from lifetime to lifetime never really going anywhere. What do you think?

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Four years ago, an Elite Insider was answering questions on another conspiracy forum, www.godlikeproductions.com. He was answering questions from a wise, incredibly educated reincarnational viewpoint. He convinced tens of thousands of readers taht he was who he stated was.

Quote from pdf:
Q:
Is Earth a prison?

A:
Yes and even worse.
The ones who believe the contrary will never escape.
(Quote ends.)

Another Q&A goes:
Q:
Hey 13 --
I´m not coming back to your planet next time.
Smoke on that.

A:
What gave you the impression that when that time comes, you have a say in that?
(Quote ends.)

(The pdf is available on the Net, titled Revelations of an Elite Family Insider - just do a search on Scroogle.)

He explained later that in a prison, you can still work on yourself and tutn towards the Divine. It DOES matter what souls do in a prison.

As for the scientological perspective, I talked to one guy who came for therapy and he seemed plain paranoid. The theory that we would individually deserve something better but that our souls are somehow 'hacked' prior to birth sound to me like these people do not really believe in the wisdom of reincarnation. I think they call it 'implant.' (For me, LRH's writings are unreadable - the style of his SF is flat, characters are close to non-human etc. Scientology is also responsible for a corrupt version of what is today called the law of attraction. And these guys usually want to 'attract wealth' - but not by magic, as an honest magician would do, rather by twisted semantics.)

Personally, I also think the scientological viewpoint also waives responsibility within reincarnation. Even if their theory were true, I could argue that it was that soul's karma to be 'implanted' - which would mean that there is a soul inside our souls - but that is a logical fallacy, for there must then be another soul inside that third soul and so on ad infinitum... (Argument taken from Bertrand Russell.))

The all-important question that cuts through these theories is - personally, I mean, for each of us - why am I here? What did I do?

We could be rebels having busted a good system in another star system
before coming here. Or tyrants. Or terrorists.

I agree to posters that point out that nature is pretty and wonderful and wise here. Unfortunately, mankind is not.

To me. 'prison' sounds like a good metaphor for the human world on this planet and what is immediately around us. I mean we are torturing animals by billions to death each year, and I do not need to comment on ATS how deceiptful and cruel our current power structure is. I mean anyone with a basic sense of decency would notice that, and we even have wise ET's or angels etc. telling us that the whole show could be different - if only our collective intent would change. But it does not. And individually, maybe it should not. We go through this, put up with madness and realise how it is bad - and if we really learn our curriculum here, we incarnate somewhere and look back and say Wow, man, that was a place where a lot of souls were weird or somehow psychopathic... So How did I manage to have to live here? More importantly, what do I have to do in order to be released?

And we keep on reincarnating here until we find the answers to those questions.

I have had dreams where I decided 'enough was enough' and that then I wanted to live among powerless slaves. So here I go... the cleansing is still going on...

Best regards

Kokatsi

The only prison is unhappiness.

If you are unhappy, that is a prison.

I cannot leave the planet physically. Am I in prison?

I cannot leave the country without money and a passport. Am I in prison?

I cannot leave my home, because I may have children. Am I in prison?

I am in prison, but I have a television, internet, a couch, a large living room, a nice bathroom, a car to drive around in, people all around, bars, clubs, food a plenty, a lake, clean water, access to the ocean, and the prison grounds extend for miles, so far I could never go there if I wanted to. But I know the fences are there. Am I in prison?

The point being, if you are happy, you are never in prison. If you are unhappy, you are always in prison.

Well... yes. Earth is a "prison planet". But, it a special kind of "prison planet". Sorry to inform you that you along with the rest of us have been sentenced to a "penal colony for the criminally insane". Get well soon.