Why we are not ready for ET Disclosure

Wow I'm glad this topic is getting some great response. I want to make it clear I'm not against any sort of disclosure I'm simply arguing a specific side to the issue.

Powerslave - You made two really great points; 1. People still need to eat and 2.
"if I still have a job, I will go to work as I do every day....." .
I do not disagree with fact that life would go on if by chance there was such a disclosure, I am saying that enough would change that it would take something very abrupt to put this disclosure into effect. The powers that be have no reason to hinder the people with such a topic unless it was deemed extremely valuable. I see no reason why it would be.

Randol - I think I disagree with you from the very beginning. I do not see how our civilization is in "step 1". What is the scale? Why does war and pain and starvation make it so we are a third rate being? What evidence is there that ETs are some peaceful, loving species?
You state all this and then add, out of nowhere; "Disclosure is critical for the survival of humanity in this century and beyond. Only then will the average person be willing and able to reason with an expanded scope, and therefore, act far more ethically."
I do not connect Discosure to acting ethically. Why would mankind only after this disclosure knowledge become more ethically inclined?

Major point between us - you see aliens as the step to make us better people where I see US able to do this ourselves. Why do we need ETs to further the race?

Game over - I never said the swine flu made anyone border their windows in any town. I stated it made Mexico City shut down and it got wide spread media coverage. What I was trying to say through the swine flu is that if such a minicule virus gets so much media coverage and so many peoples attention imagine something to the scale of ETs. Itd be so wide spread that people would be in a state of anxiety. Take the early 2k Blackout. Rioting, Crime, Theft. All came out of a simple electricity shortage.

I do not see how you can compare th swine flu to disclosure, to call them similar in scope is like me calling a locked door a safe or a apple a basket of fruit.

Gotta love the degree of intellectual challenge here on ATS, I suppose I should have been more explicit. Although I respect your right to disagree, I think if you would have taken more time to examine my post you would have seen how founded in truth my assertions were.

You said "I do not see how our civilization is in 'step 1'. What is the scale?":
Now even though I highlighted, and explicitly denoted three empirical metrics which are a reflection of civilization, I will delve into the fundamental aspects of why are in the first step of civilization, at best.

1) History of our global civilization spans about 10,000 years, and is still rife with inaccuracies and misunderstandings. Without a frame of reference 10,000 years could be (mis)perceived as a long time, however, in the light of reason (and statistics) this short history of civilization places Earth firmly toward the bottom of any comparison of civilizations within this vast universe. Any advancement from electronics to rule of law is recent indeed, and therefore, unrefined. Imagine a civilization 10,000,000 years old-any aspect of our civilization would be incomparable.

2) When in doubt, the meaning of the word speaks volumes as to its characteristics. Civilization, root word civil, from the latin "civilis" meaning kind or courteous. Therefore, the characteristics of any true civilization are kindness and courtesy. The metrics I outlined in my original post outline the degree of kindness and courtesy in this world at the macro level. Clearly it is not much.

You also said "Why does war and pain and starvation make it so we are a third rate being?"
-It does not, but it does speak volumes about our civilization.

"What evidence is there that ETs are some peaceful, loving species?"
-The myriad of ET species precludes all of them being peaceful and loving, however, Earth is about as unpeaceful and unloving as a civilization could be and, in its present state, is flirting with self-destruction. Take a look around. If we can speak of peace or love on a relative scale this civilization is about the bottom of the barrel and our space neighbors know it.

"You state all this and then add, out of nowhere; 'Disclosure is critical for the survival of humanity in this century and beyond. Only then will the average person be willing and able to reason with an expanded scope, and therefore, act far more ethically.'"
-I thought I made a clear connection between expanding the attention of the average person to outside Earth and thinking on a longer time-scale, and therefore, acting more ethically.

By the way ethics is understanding and applying the best solution which results in survivability-sorry for any confusion.

The connection between disclosure an ethics is, essentially, giving humanity a new measuring stick by which to judge itself will enable even the average person to think and act more ethically, merely because its possibility becomes apparent. Fixating our attention on this one civilization, in its short lifespan has led the common person to believe that life in a civilization teetering on the brink of self-destruction is simply "the way it is". It is not.

I hope this clears up any confusion.

Truthfully,
Shane

[edit on 5-5-2009 by randolrs1]

The powers that be have no reason to hinder the people with such a topic unless it was deemed extremely valuable. I see no reason why it would be.

I can agree with this. I don't see disclosure just for something to do. There would have to be some reason for it. And most likely something to the benefit of TPTB. They surely would not doing anything for our benefit.

The only other reason might be if something slipped, leaked or simply forced by the entities themselves.

I think at first people would worry, maybe preach about alien attacks, small panic groups for a while...

As long as whatever comes to visit us isnt hostile, I think we would be okay...

In fact, something I have been pondering for a while... maybe WE are the hostile ones. They may be curious as to how or why we are constantly at war. Maybe the first atom bomb sent out a signal that attracted these creatures. Who knows... maybe they are scared of us, and don't want US to leave our planet.

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I think the world is ready, specially the younger generations. 20 years ago I wouldn't had thought or imagined how the world could fit into a widescreen monitor and could be accessed with the touch of a few buttons. . . .Then 1995 comes along with the "internet revolution". Nowadays, teens and young adults are much aware on how big and diverse the world is and the seemly unlimited possibilites there are regarding the world, other cultures, politics, art, etc.

I believe that we are ready and the feared "panic" can be minimized, depending on how Disclosure is done and by whom. No doubt it'll be tricky, but I do believe it can be done.

Originally posted by mystiq Or are we adults with a core need for truth?

Only a small handful would be able to accept the truth...

It also depends on another factor. Most believers are 100% sure that a mass landing or full disclosure would show the Aliens are peaceful and mean us no harm...

What if that landing on the Whitehouse lawn comes with a message. "We have come to take over you Planet, resistance is futile"

What if the Government through its contacts with Aliens (that we all claim is a fact), knows that allowing these Aliens full contact with our species would be a bad thing?

Its easy to assume that all Aliens if they exist are benevolent, but what if they are not? Will the believer be ready to accept that the "Light Ships" are here to wipe us out or to enslave us as the Anunnaki believers claim?

To the OP... The Orson Welles "War of the Worlds" was not a hoax like we see today, it was simply a radio play made realistic and people missed the disclaimers that were aired. The result was the trigger for NASA's commisioning of the Brookings Report, 1960

www.thelivingmoon.com...

I agree... people in general are NOT ready to have their lives disrupted by such a major announcement. We are still too complacent in our belief we are the greatest thing that ever happened to the Universe. If it were revealed that in truth we are merely a small cog in a universe teaming with advance civilizations that visit us as easily as we go to the local park... there would be chaos.

Sure we here at ATS are trying to bring about disclosure and trying to break through the secrecy... but all you have to do is read many of skeptic responses to see how difficult it would be to accept.

Maybe we should have a question to skeptics...

IF it were announce that Aliens were real and here... what would you do then?

So many of us have had the final proof and so this is like kindergarden asking for the finals in highschool...

It changes nothing.

No adult wants to become a spoon fed baby and told things they know are lies by this elite adult cabal, cuddled into their fema camps (oops I meant security blankets), depopulated (oops, I meant patted on the head) and given a fairy tale paradigm that takes the spooky ets away that might be landing here to take over.

Even if thats what they were truly doing, and as an experiencer I beg to differ, I see an urge to tear up the illegal non-mass-contact, and non-interference contracts that actually give ownership of us to the renegades that our leaders really serve, I still want the truth. There are many ets here, serving many different organizations, and some are on our sides.

I think theres a lot more than one side to the et issue, and this entire planet would benefit from revealing those that live here, already, and those under the surface. I think everyone should make peace, amnesty should be given to encourage sides are switched and peaceful co-existence can emerge with grass-roots people making gains in technology, and slavery ending.

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[edit on 7-5-2009 by mystiq]

Do I think the common public is ready to have a bomb dropped on their perception of reality? - No

Do I think the common public could rationally accept the information in a well structured gradual release of facts? - Yes

I think the disclosure of such potent and reality changing data would have to be conducted through a series of intricate, well structured "baby steps." If mass panic and frenzy is not the goal, then those who want to release such information to the masses should do it in increments:

IE

Week 1...Basic life found on Mars
(let what dust picked up settle)
Week 2 (or however long necessary)...More advanced life found on Mars
(let the dust settle again)...

Continue this process until a foundation exists to open everyone's eyes to whatever truth you may be trying to disclose.

Its like medicine in a way. You don't want to overdose the public on something when you could give them a prescription that they take over the course of 10 days. The collective public stomach is sensitive.

PS:

Please forgive my grammar issues. It's definitely not a strength of mine.

The truth is the truth. Arguing for the suppression of truth is nothing more than complete idiocy.

Originally posted by Riposte
The truth is the truth. Arguing for the suppression of truth is nothing more than complete idiocy.

Supression and protection are two different things... I see no reason why one would call my argument idiotic... If you can see no other side but your own you have no reason to comment, but thank you for your time.

Another issue, aside from our civilization not taking disclosure well is how many here would actually believe any of it? I find that now "truth hunters" seem to never be satisfied, and if tomorrow we were told ETs exist we would deem it also a lie. I sometimes wonder if we will ever be satisfied.

Antar what proof are you speaking of?

This really would have to do with the nature of the visitors. If say, the public was told before hand about them then I think we would handle it fine. Letting it out in steps leading up to an announcement of a visit would be best. Most people want the truth, we don't like stuff this important hidden from us. Almost everyone I ask believes were not alone anyway so it be nothing new to them. Most people can handle this just fine if its presented right.

Sure some would flip out, but these same people flip out over everything else. If there peaceful then it could really help turn this world around. Maybe eventually unite this world and stop most conflicts. They might even help with current problems like hunger and power... who knows? If were told ahead of time of a visit.. and then they show up if we panic and loot, riot and kill each other then we get what we deserve. As long as it does not effect peoples day to day lives then I think all will be well.

If say we were not told ahead of time, and these visitors wanted to just make themselves known then I think there would be more people who would panic at first. But if they don't blow up city's or anything it would calm down and we'd be left with the people who flip out over everything while more people accept there real, there not screwing up my life, I still have my power, my health, etc. It would be discussed around the world, people would have a new outlook on their lives and their future.

I think if we did panic they would fly off.. letting us know they mean us no harm. If there not peaceful.. and we have some kinda independence day ship flying around blowing city's up... well then we would have panic no matter what... obviously

Has anyone seen this?

Police escort two UFOs in public?

reply to post by Beamish Beamish, nice to bump into you again. i believe they are already here, coming and going but are waiting for the right time when we, the people as a whole will except them.
most of the older generation would probably collapse with fear. they would IMO have to appear as saviours to a war torn planet that is crying out for help. i hope i'm wrong and it doesn't have to come to that.

I really believe that amnesty for black ops and many individuals, perhaps even an inter-species amnesty considering testimonies regarding with what we're already sharing this planet both on the surface and beneath, is a part of disclosure. Since good and bad probably exist on all sides, amnesty could produce some interesting results and great advancements, if done with a proper disclosure.

reply to post by mystiq if something like this was to take place, the government would certainly have my trust again. of course i'd want to see it televised. this would be a good way for the et's to show themselves to the public. the media could slowly bring them to the attention of the world as non threatening and deal with the aftermath once they're hear. it's going to happen sooner or later. what better way than to start prepping now