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WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court has ruled that an undocumented immigrant who uses a phony Social Security number to get work should not be considered an identity thief unless prosecutors can prove he knew the number belonged to a real person.
The court ruled unanimously Monday in favor of Ignacio Carlos Flores-Figueroa, an undocumented worker from Mexico, who was given an additional two years in prison for aggravated identity theft. He presented his employer with Social Security and al
Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
I'm saying up front that I added [illegal] to the title. Mods, please do not change the title because nobody will read it the way it was titled and THAT IS WHY the bigger issue here will be ignored by people. If you absolutely must, then transfer it over to another forum INSTEAD of changing the title.
1.) This article is not only an example of extreme media bias on illegals but is blatently WRONG! This man IS NOT an immigrant. The only reference to his status is "undocumented" and I bet if they could've they would have put that word in small print.
2.) This ILLEGAL immigrant used manufactured documents (social security cards, etc.) to get employment and other benefits in this country. He was arrested and jailed for ID theft but the Supreme Court ruled that prosecutors had to prove he knew that the SSN belonged to another person.
This is outrageous! You know what? I say ALL illegals are stealing our identities! They not only steal government benefits (that we pay for) and jobs with false documents but they are in effect saying that they are American. Now that's an identity stolen even if our liberal courts don't punish them for it.
Is it fair? No! Is it just? No! Does anyone care? Probably, but they won't hear about it because the media continues to do cover up jobs like this article!
www.breitbart.com
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i AGREE with the court's desicion....
most of undocumented immigrants use Fake IDs and social security numbers just to work, they do not want to do harm to anymone..
Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
reply to post by daddyroo45
They never file for returns????
where do you get your news from...i have known many undocumented immigrants that file for returns, etc, etc...
when i read that i just realized how messed up, fake, and propagandist the anti-immigrant movement is...
when i read that i just realized how messed up, fake, and propagandist the anti-immigrant movement is
Originally posted by jjkenobi
Crap like this is what is going to destroy our country. Yes, destroy it. There will be no more "USA" when half the people who live here aren't legal citizens.
Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
reply to post by daddyroo45
They never file for returns????
where do you get your news from...i have known many undocumented immigrants that file for returns, etc, etc...
when i read that i just realized how messed up, fake, and propagandist the anti-immigrant movement is...
Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
reply to post by octotom
the only laws that should exist should be against murder, rape or acts that will harm someone against the person's will...
the rest is all crap really, the universe has no division lines, nations and patrotism for a nation is a false and very harmful concept (harmful to makind and peace).
www.standard.net...
In testimony before a legislative committee, Utah Assistant Attorney General Richard Hamp noted that 90 percent of the identity-theft cases he prosecutes are driven by illegal immigrants using someone else's Social Security number. Workforce Services officials also found that the Social Security numbers of thousands of Utah children were being used by illegal aliens to obtain jobs.
In a news release, Attorney General Mark Shurtleff noted that the "ongoing investigation has uncovered an alarming new crime spree involving illegal aliens and identities stolen from victims under the age of 12" (attorneygeneral.utah.gov...).
It is important to note that falsifying a Social Security number in order to obtain a job is a felony, and it does result in victims.
With half of all Social Security numbers assigned, the trend is likely to only become worse as the unissued, but compromised, numbers are assigned to newborns unless Gov. Huntsman and legislators take action to control it.
www.lemarssentinel.com...
That means people who want a legitimate Social Security number end up stealing someone else's existing number.
For immigrants who have illegally crossed into the United States, that may mean buying a Social Security number and identity from someone who has already acquired those identities and is offering them for sale
"The people that come here that we've talked to and debriefed say, basically, they know where they can go and get an ID," Raymond said. "There's a market out there."
In Bear County, Texas, he said, it's a real business.
www.desmoinesregister.com.../20080519/NEWS/805190316
An investigation by MSNBC in 2005 found that a Social Security number from suburban Chicago had been used by illegal immigrants to get jobs at 37 businesses. "People need to wake up to this problem," Richard Hamp, an assistant attorney general in Utah, told MSNBC.com. "They are destroying people's credit, Social Security benefits and everything else. This problem has been ignored by the federal government, and it's enormous."
Originally posted by Merigold
I lived as an illegal immigrant for 25 years. My parents came to the US when I was a baby, over extended their visa and never looked back. We all had social security cards which were given to us freely by the local friendly social security office with no questions asked.
I paid into the system via my legally obtained SS card, and you're damn right that I filed for my returns ever year, as I did my parents.
I worked, went to school, got goverment grants to go to college, filed my taxes, voted, and basically lived the American "dream".
No one cared, no one asked, no one ever questioned any of my documents - Until 9/11. I knew that day, things would get tougher. It took awhile, we are white, speak English like the natives, and lived pretty unassuming lives but eventually somewhere, somehow someone asked the right questions.
In the end I voluntarily deported, I didn't want spend the 50k my lawyer assured me would get me citizenship.
That's why I get so annoyed when people make statements about coming to this country legally, going through the right channels - the right channels cost a lot of money. The truth is, you don't want people coming to your country who can't afford the ridiculous expense of doing it "legal" , those people are mainly the people of poor countries like Mexico.
No more USA? You mean that great nation of immigrants which has borrowed culture from many cultures? You mean that welcoming country which has as a national monument a statue which welcomes the poor and disenfranchised?
People shouldn't forget that an illegal immigrant is firstly a human being with hopes and dreams just like yours.
Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
reply to post by daddyroo45
They never file for returns????
where do you get your news from...i have known many undocumented immigrants that file for returns, etc, etc...
when i read that i just realized how messed up, fake, and propagandist the anti-immigrant movement is...
Originally posted by Merigold
In the end I voluntarily deported, I didn't want spend the 50k my lawyer assured me would get me citizenship.
That's why I get so annoyed when people make statements about coming to this country legally, going through the right channels - the right channels cost a lot of money. The truth is, you don't want people coming to your country who can't afford the ridiculous expense of doing it "legal" , those people are mainly the people of poor countries like Mexico.
No more USA? You mean that great nation of immigrants which has borrowed culture from many cultures? You mean that welcoming country which has as a national monument a statue which welcomes the poor and disenfranchised?
People shouldn't forget that an illegal immigrant is firstly a human being with hopes and dreams just like yours.