Anyone has a solution, other than sitchin's, that explains all these points?

- presence of sumerian, elamitic, and phoenician writings in the mesoamerica
- presence of the same archological patterns in various places aroud the world (montevecchia, giza and teotihuacan reproduce the Orion Belt - Girsu and Stonehenge 1 hav the same pattern)
- presence of even the same 'errors' (like defined by the archolgists): in sumer, mesoamerica and egypt we have statues that show the gods with 2 left hands
- presence of the same genomic marker (y-cromosome) in various populations proving that our common 'adam' was living in center-eastern africa circa 60.000 years ago (spencer wells found this marker in both the japaneese ainu and the andeans)
- presence of the same genomic marker (mtDNA) proving the 'common eve' dated about 150.000 years ago
- presence of the 'serpent' figure in many cultures
- presence of the same themes in many cultures myths, like the deluge, wars against gods, giants etc
- the same detail of the deluge being a flood coming from the south, in both mesopotamic and Tahiti myths

any idea?

Originally posted by ningishzidda74
Anyone has a solution, other than sitchin's, that explains all these points?

- presence of sumerian, elamitic, and phoenician writings in the mesoamerica
- presence of the same archological patterns in various places aroud the world (montevecchia, giza and teotihuacan reproduce the Orion Belt - Girsu and Stonehenge 1 hav the same pattern)
- presence of even the same 'errors' (like defined by the archolgists): in sumer, mesoamerica and egypt we have statues that show the gods with 2 left hands
- presence of the same genomic marker (y-cromosome) in various populations proving that our common 'adam' was living in center-eastern africa circa 60.000 years ago (spencer wells found this marker in both the japaneese ainu and the andeans)
- presence of the same genomic marker (mtDNA) proving the 'common eve' dated about 150.000 years ago
- presence of the 'serpent' figure in many cultures
- presence of the same themes in many cultures myths, like the deluge, wars against gods, giants etc
- the same detail of the deluge being a flood coming from the south, in both mesopotamic and Tahiti myths

These are all dot connecting used in amateur commercial fantasy lit.

Floods and flood myths practically everywhere. A basic occurrence and trauma for all primitive cultures.

Ditto serpents, gods, giants. Some borrowed and shared, most just the explanations people would come up with. Lightning = lightning God, etc.

If you bring up "common eve' and 'common adam' you don't understand what they are. Their parents and grandparents looked exactly like them.

Read some real books by people who research these subjects not the hack fantasists trying to make a buck off the gullible.


Mike

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by ningishzidda74
Anyone has a solution, other than sitchin's, that explains all these points?

- presence of sumerian, elamitic, and phoenician writings in the mesoamerica
- presence of the same archological patterns in various places aroud the world (montevecchia, giza and teotihuacan reproduce the Orion Belt - Girsu and Stonehenge 1 hav the same pattern)
- presence of even the same 'errors' (like defined by the archolgists): in sumer, mesoamerica and egypt we have statues that show the gods with 2 left hands
- presence of the same genomic marker (y-cromosome) in various populations proving that our common 'adam' was living in center-eastern africa circa 60.000 years ago (spencer wells found this marker in both the japaneese ainu and the andeans)
- presence of the same genomic marker (mtDNA) proving the 'common eve' dated about 150.000 years ago
- presence of the 'serpent' figure in many cultures
- presence of the same themes in many cultures myths, like the deluge, wars against gods, giants etc
- the same detail of the deluge being a flood coming from the south, in both mesopotamic and Tahiti myths

These are all dot connecting used in amateur commercial fantasy lit.

Floods and flood myths practically everywhere. A basic occurrence and trauma for all primitive cultures.

Ditto serpents, gods, giants. Some borrowed and shared, most just the explanations people would come up with. Lightning = lightning God, etc.

If you bring up "common eve' and 'common adam' you don't understand what they are. Their parents and grandparents looked exactly like them.

Read some real books by people who research these subjects not the hack fantasists trying to make a buck off the gullible.


Mike

traumas coming from what? a trauma that makes different civilization use the same details? yeah as if...

serpent and giants borrowed and shared... for what?
everything is coincidence?

common eve and common adam... nope... sorry to tell you that the information comes directly from Well's books and Sykes' books, as well as Cavalli Sforza's books and National Geographic dvds.


Again, any solution (that doesn't state is all coincidence or trauma please)?.

Originally posted by ningishzidda74

traumas coming from what? a trauma that makes different civilization use the same details? yeah as if...

serpent and giants borrowed and shared... for what?
everything is coincidence?

common eve and common adam... nope... sorry to tell you that the information comes directly from Well's books and Sykes' books, as well as Cavalli Sforza's books and National Geographic dvds.


Again, any solution (that doesn't state is all coincidence or trauma please)?.




As I don't want to sound rude, let's just say picking up a phrase or concept and supplying a credible sources can fall short of understanding fully what they mean.

Common Adam and Eve do not mean a starting point of one individual for all humanty. That would be impossible to determine with millions of years of gradual evolution. What is referred to is the concept of Mitochondrial Eve - the Most Recent Common Ancestor of all humans via the mitochondrial DNA pathway.

The flood, the giants, the Gods.

Many people who have studied anthropology all their lives have come to the same conclusion. All primitive communities experienced births, deaths, hostile climates, dangerous animals, enemies, etc. They responded by generating similar explanations for what they do not comprehend.

We see this happening even today in isolated societies and the stories generated by contact with modern people.

A superficial cherry-picking of similar mythologies can give the impression there was a singular historical source for these stories that all humanity shared in the past.

And this is an interpretation the paperback scholars try to convince you of.

A deeper reading of the evolution of these mythologies and how they were transmitted through contact demonstrates this to be a false conclusion that has no evidence to support it, and much disproving it.

If you are determined to understand these things porperly, no website or video will give you anything more than bits of data, small pieces of the puzzle.

Information can be assembled to prove almost anything by people trying to sell you something. Be wary of false gods and false men


Mike

To the guys in this thread

Finally, provide me a link to someone who said Neptune would be blue before Sitchin did... otherwise you are just craps.

It would seem N is a crackpot. Not point talking to him. You guys have a nice time.

Originally posted by ningishzidda74


Finally, provide me a link to someone who said Neptune would be blue before Sitchin did... otherwise you are just craps.

The Junior Encyclopedia I used in grade school showed Neptune as blue.

Mercury was red, Venus pink, Mars red, Jupiter orange, Saturn yellow. They tried to show the planets further away as colder so used purple, blue, grey for Uranus, Neptune, Pluto.

You might want to contact these people about their astounding predictive breakthrough.

Mike



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Originally posted by KRISKALI777
Its fantastic that formations such as perfectly symetrical staircases can come from natural formation. Not to mention other examples of the sculpted remains at Yonaguni.
Anyway, besides Yonaguni, there are other submerged relics that must be considered; such as: Submerged ruins in >60m depth of the southern coast of Sri Lanka, the submerged ruins within the black sea, of Turkey.
Not knocking Mr Schoch; but even great scholars have been known to be wrong at times.

I wouldn't refer to Schoch as a "great scholar," although he does hold a doctorate in Geophysics, he has no standing whatsoever in the field of archaeology.

I also wouldn't make claims about sunken ruins anywhere on Earth without providing some evidence that they actually exist.

Since you do not, my response must be that these "sunken ruins" aren't there at all for us to "consider."

Harte

Originally posted by Kandinsky

there's enough intrigue, mystery and 'Wow! factor' in history without needing to add aliens and levitating blocks of stone

I agree and I think we've seen an evolution of something that has little to do with archeology, ancient history, and anthropology. It's an outgrowth of UFO sub-culture.

Like the unidentified objects in the sky, it's a vast playing field with a lot of unanswered questions. Ripe for wild speculation and uninformed dot connecting.

Big enough now and with enough sci-fi elements to bring out pseudo-experts who can carve a comfortable living generating any disinformation that their audiences want to hear.

A veritable cul-de-sac of knowledge and reason.

Disturbing in that the von Danikens and Sitchins are better known and better rewarded for their ignorance than the people who research seriously and toil anonymously trying to increase the understanding of our world and it's earlier cultures.


Mike



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Originally posted by mmiichael
Disturbing in that the von Danikens and Sitchins are better known and better rewarded for their ignorance than the people who research seriously and toil anonymously trying to increase the understanding of our world and it's earlier cultures.

Mike

Mike,

I've been saying this for years and years.

Here's to you, a fellow empathizer with the archies that do backbreaking work in remote, difficult and dangerous places for the 6 hottest (or driest) months of the year, only to have their work stolen by armchair fantasists in air-conditioned comfort, picking over the latest findings looking for the most easily misconstrued morsels to convert into support for their fraudulent "theories" which earn them up to ten times what the archaeologists bring home.

For this, they get to be blamed for a world-wide archaeological conspiracy designed to "keep the truth about the ancient world from leaking out to the common man."

I made you a friend the first time I read one of your posts.



Harte

Originally posted by Harte


Here's to you, a fellow empathizer with the archies that do backbreaking work in remote, difficult and dangerous places for the 6 hottest (or driest) months of the year, only to have their work stolen by armchair fantasists in air-conditioned comfort, picking over the latest findings looking for the most easily misconstrued morsels to convert into support for their fraudulent "theories" which earn them up to ten times what the archaeologists bring home.

For this, they get to be blamed for a world-wide archaeological conspiracy designed to "keep the truth about the ancient world from leaking out to the common man."

I made you a friend the first time I read one of your posts.

Harte

I've put you on my list too. Thanks for the thought.

I'm edgier than some on all this. Sort of zero tolerance on the whole thing.

I'm not an archeologist but have studied related areas in university and been on many digs. Also travelled to many sites mostly in South America as part of my career.

I know many dedicated people in the field. I tell them they're too soft on the lunatic fringe side of things. I've seen when a von Daniken dupe has has confronted someone who has spent their lives studying the past. I tell them they're complete idiots. They know absolutely nothing and are stupid enough to believe any sensationalistic fairy tale just because it managed to get into print. The unmitigated arrogance they display just because they've swallowed a load of BS from con-men who know how to connect a few dots and spin a sci-fi story around it.

The UFO field is totally dominated by these predatory hucksters cultivating enraptured ignoramuses hoping they're onto the the biggest story of mankind - but with nothing substantial or credible ever presented.

It resembles religious cultism far more than an interest in science or history.
Just a new type of fundamentalism that finds support in a community comprised of the equally deluded and their cynical clergy raking in the money with their propagated deception.

Good examples are Scientology with it's outer space alien race nuttiness or even the respectable Mormonism with it's prehistory of Israelites in America given to some whacko in the 1820s by an angel and a golden book. Zero evidence of any these histories.

Sadly this mass ignorance has polluted archeology and anthropology along with ancient history.

Myself, unless they're just kids, as so many are, I wouldn't give these people the time of day.


Mike


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