This could be a Biiiig blow to skeptics...

the BWO (Bob White Object) has been known to the US government since 1946, it's resembles a "FOO" fighter of WWII, there are scans in the archives, which means it's not extraterrestrial, even if it is "alien".

Allegedly it cannot be replicated with current alloy technology


here is the link to the 10MB PDF take a look at the scans, then look at the "BWO" they look quite similar PDF Link

here is the full archive archive link


the best part of course is this is on my B-day, would be a cool present for sure

Originally posted by ufo reality

Brand new evidence from tests done show that the metal recovered by Mr. White matches no known aluminum alloy made on this planet.

ERR CORRECTION

it ACTUALLY matches no commercially marketed alloy or ISO / other standard designation for an alu alloy

url=http://www.quest4alloys.com/Frmproduct.aspx?cid=57&pid=0&prodid=41] here [/url] are some of the hundresds of standard alu alloy grades agailiable commercially

these grades allow STANDARDISATION and preformance reliability etc etc

ensuring that when a user buys stock ` off the shelf ` - the material he gets has a known melt point / workability / hardness / tensile strenght / density etc etc

in addition many ` one off ` alloys that were never offered for sale - or used by any one but the user who specified it - so they are not graded

lastly - as noted by previous posters - place sime sand in a aluminium tin - hammer it flat - smelt it - and allow it to cool - and bingo - you have a silicone rich sample that does not match any commercial grade

It also has characteristics just now starting to be researched and developed at major universities and laboratories concerning its very high silicon content of the BWO. It is 15 times above normal in the BWO.

what the hell does 15 times " normal " mean ?????????? there is no " normal " for silicone content in alu alloys

current standards specify a hugue silicone variation - dependent on properties desired

having got that out the way - to focus on the properties of the BW " object "

it looks to me - and many other engineers / scientists like a peice of casting slag or waste from a cutting process

PS - as you can tell i am not amazed - and certainly not ` blown away `

infact - a challenge , please specify a commercially availiable grade of alu alloy - and i will turn it into a " silicone rich " aretefact resembling the BWO in a matter of minuites

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I believe that they must exist the universe is too huge to say others wise.

On that note I am a sceptic that we will ever see any. think about Star trek and the regulations they had for approaching and under evolved society, if advanced species came here they only things we could ever offer them is our planet or our bodies. They would be so far advanced we could offer nothing to them. You people really think a civilization that can travel through time and space would come here for our great cup of coffee or maybe they have some particles the want smashed in the LHC right? So naive this is a gov plot to get your mind off the wars and pillaging and real issues they are doing around the world. I have an idea let’s get a retired NASA expert to tell us he knows they exist, and who better to confirm it than an astronaut. Well guess what there is NO PROOF not one ounce. If there is real proof the gov will never let you know, if they're hiding things this big wow think of what they are really doing to us behind our backs.

OK let me be imaginative

Let’s say they do come, they do show themselves, then what. Everyone gets a ride around the earth in their space ship, where a sign says you have to be this tall------> to ride.

They come to tell us we are destroying our planet with nuclear and toxic energy, and that if we continue we will destroy ourselves, seems pretty stupid to me we know this already O.o

What reason other than study or theft would they come here.

Studying a new species or our plants creatures is the only reason I could see them being here and if that is the case it would not take 60 or more years of visual sightings, for them to collect data, they would be doing the same thing duck hunters do, create a blind. If I was a grand commander on a space ship sent here to study the planet and inhabitants I would declare this the clumsiest bumbling event in the history of ET. Only humans could be this clumsy.

You might be able to rebut that a spices that can travel trough out time and space are clumsy idiots that break the chains of command. But you cannot deny the vast amount of knowledge it would take to travel through time and space, and how old a species would have to be in order to do this. Thus they would only need our planet or us for food and study.

Believe me you don’t know how bad I wish it was true, but until they land somewhere and let us know, they are cover up distraction for fools that cannot handle the world around them, and must create something bigger than us to feel better about the unexplained.

Hello uforeality,

I always like to see a thread by you. You seem to be on top of all this for us and I thank you.

I believe Bob White. This man happened to be at the right place at the right time and has only been more then willing to share his finds. The man has stuck to his story and been more then willing to have this material tested by different Labs.

You and I and I am sure others here know that until many members here have there own experiences they aren't going to believe.

The UFOHunters show keeps this subject alive and I think this is a good thing. From my understandings when a show is put together you have to do things in certain ways that are approved or disapproved by the TV executives after all it is a show and they are out to make money/ratings or they wouldn't be in the business.

I know I am waiting to see if this new man Kevin Cook from Philly (my area) can take the place of Ted. So far............I'm hoping he grows on me.

My own 2 cents I guess, (economy gets any worse I will only be giving one cent)

I like many others was pretty disappointed in the show when they first started up (and still am) thinking I could do a better job that that.

I have been fascinated with the objects and their first mention in the 80's but even back then I was curious to how many people actually have one that is never found along with what are the chances it is actually produced in the body naturally as a strange bi-product of something. Obviously it would be a rare bi-product or we would know about them if they were common.

The most intriguing part for me was the supposed sound/radio waves that they claimed it gave off. The reason I was intrigued by them.

I see people here spouting off about the truth and sources etc. but in all reality their is no such thing as truth the way we envision it or like to believe we can. In human reality it is 100 percent sensory perception that leads us to our conclusions, not truth. Just because science or a debunk'er preceives evidence as truthful doesn't mean it is.

We are all limited to our senses and how our brain interprets those sensory inputs. Science and math just attaches numbers to these to help facilitate a better understanding of what we are seeing. But at the same time these equations from time to time are broken and back to the drawing board.

Point being those who believe will believe, those who don't will not purely due to a sensory input belief or non-belief. Those who genuinely try to seek the truth will go from side to side trying to debunk their own findings but at the same time trying to debunk their reason for the original debunk, only to realize truth is a perception not fact.

We can argue all day long about sources and content but in the end until we ourselves can come together and throw test after test on the subject matter we will all be left with arguing, bickering and sometimes even war.

reply to post by Seany


This show is aired on national television. I guess you can not expect there to be any real disclosure. This is for entertainment. The evidence may be astounding and, at the end of the show they will probably say something along the lines of... "Does this new evidence shed light on the UFO phenomena? Will this finally prove that they are real? Only time will tell. Until next time viewers, keep your eyes to the sky." All "normal" TV is monitored and regulated by TPTB anyway. If they do not want you to know, you will not know. All the Real evidence is with them except for the Disclosure Project. And they can not even make it know that they obviously are real.

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phew u just saved me some typing thanks.

This is laughable misuse of science words by the op and his source, unless is has some truly awesome properties - which i'm sure it doesn't or you would have mentioned them, such as being a room temperature super-conductor or a perfect PN Type semiconductor then it just a load of things melted together.

I hate these threads which promise to CONVINCE THE SKEPTICS then produce nothing even slightly note worthy. For future reference, unless it's FAR too advanced to be made on this world then i'm going to assume it was in fact made on this world.

If we assumed that every weird and totally unexplainable thing was aliens then well, i've got a lot of alien technology in my scrapmetal box just waiting to be melted down (and crafted into unknown alloys lol)

My boss 20 years ago had worked on a very high level of research both in the private sector and governmental. He, in fact, was working on the precision mathematics that could come into play if there was ever a need to deflect an oncoming body from space such as a meteor.

He knew many people even further up the ladder than himself and there had been informal discussions of the possibility of some knowledge somewhere being hidden by official agencies.

To cut to the chase, though there were people in many government department open to the possibilities of alien contacts, but documented there was nothing beyond reports of UFO sightings that remained unexplained.

Any alien technology or aliens themselves would have required input and analysis from many experts in related fields. No one knew of anyone consulted or had heard anything beyond speculations on possibilities.

The world of high tech specialists, composed of employees by the government but mostly independent contractors, is large but still a community in which information, even high level secret projects, are shared.

The expectation that the US or other governments are concealing revelatory material on alien contact is very much a notion of the UFO community with no basis in fact. Governments reserve the rights to maintain information on the basis of national security. Because they are not forthcoming on many things does not imply something of the magnitude of contact with alien intelligences. A breakthrough of this scale would go beyond military intelligence.

It is wishful thinking at best, to expect some kind of disclosure of information on alien contact that simply isn't there. I think it comes as much from a desire to malign governments as much as interest in the astounding claims put forward about life on other planets. It also remains a useful explanation of why the proof is never forthcoming.


Mike

Isn't UFO Hunters an entertainment show?

You guys actually take them serious?

I've always regarded them somewhat like the National Enquirer Magazine.

Anyway - So again we have to believe someone who has written a book that he came across a UFO etc...

I don't think anything UFO Hunters puts out will curb my skepticism about UFO's be extra-terrestrial.

I must say it is good to see Ufology get the kind of attention that UFO Hunters gives it. Props to the History Channel for sponsoring it. Although I doubt any smoking gun will happen, it will still be a big step forward for all in Ufology.

Originally posted by blujay
I wonder when they are ever, ever going to figure out that the only ones they are seeing are OURS! Hoomins have had the technology for years to make flying objects that look darn close the the et's.

I believe most of 'ours' are used as psychological warfare weapons.

Those nice men running all over the world doing their research are really just chasing their tails. When the time comes, we will all know just what is what.

Yes I agree. I think it's also a way to make a fortune with no oversight. Who tracks the money when its for a black operation of some sort?

reply to post by NatureBoy



thanks - and happy to be of service

and now that i have some time to sit and think / pull some google links

here is the emperical evidence that demonstrates the claims made re the BWO are UTTER TWADDLE

CLAIM :

its very high silicon content of the BWO. It is 15 times above normal in the BWO.

source

REBUTTAL :

what is " normal "

is alu alloy 6061 " normal " with its silcone content of :

Silicon 0.4 – 0.8

NB - FIGURE = % BY WEIGHT

source

or how about LM6 ?

Silicon 10.0 - 13.0

again % by weight

source

now can the lay members of ATS - who have no advanced engineering education / technical backgroiund understand the absurity of the claim ?

there are numerous comercial alloys in use with > 10% silicone content

so how the hell can a sample have a silicone content 15 times normal ????????? that would require 150% plus

the " science " behind the claim is utter twaddle - and instantly transparent to anyone with the relevant education and or industry experience

its a ` biiig blow ` to my sanity that they have the gall to attempt to foist such a crude lie on UFOlogy

all it does is confuses people who dont know that the claim is false - makes the claimant look like a chuffing idiot and has skeptics laughing hysterically

"UFO hunters " and the idiots they persuaded to pose as " scientists " have shot them selves in the foot

and the only ` biiig blow ` is to the credibility of UFO reserach

reply to post by ignorant_ape


Wow.. Obviously someone is not a metallurgist.

This has been discussed before, in another post (although I am a bit lazy at the moment to find it)

This matches no known alu alloy on earth.

This particular alloy has the highest levels of silicon ever recorded. There has never been an aluminum alloy made anywhere for any purpose with even close to the levels of silicon in this. In fact with these levels it could only have been made in a zero gravity environment. I am not making a claim I am stating a scientific fact.

Originally posted by DaMod
I am not making a claim I am stating a scientific fact.

Scientists cite their research.

You are talking kich until you back up your 'opinion'.

-m0r

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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by NatureBoy

 

thanks - and happy to be of service

and now that i have some time to sit and think / pull some google links

here is the emperical evidence that demonstrates the claims made re the BWO are UTTER TWADDLE

CLAIM :

its very high silicon content of the BWO. It is 15 times above normal in the BWO.

source


REBUTTAL :

what is " normal "

is alu alloy 6061 " normal " with its silcone content of :

Silicon 0.4 – 0.8

NB - FIGURE = % BY WEIGHT

source

or how about LM6 ?

Silicon 10.0 - 13.0

again % by weight

source

now can the lay members of ATS - who have no advanced engineering education / technical backgroiund understand the absurity of the claim ?

there are numerous comercial alloys in use with > 10% silicone content

so how the hell can a sample have a silicone content 15 times normal ????????? that would require 150% plus

the " science " behind the claim is utter twaddle - and instantly transparent to anyone with the relevant education and or industry experience

its a ` biiig blow ` to my sanity that they have the gall to attempt to foist such a crude lie on UfOlogy

all it does is confuses people who dont know that the claim is false - makes the claimant look like a chuffing idiot and has skeptics laughing hysterically

"UFO hunters " and the idiots they persuaded to pose as " scientists " have shot them selves in the foot

and the only ` biiig blow ` is to the credibility of UFO reserach

Excellent comment, its all how its worded. Silicon is the second highest most prevalent element next to carbon. there may be ,as old sci-fi movies suggested silicon based life forms. The stuff we see all the rock monsters cone at people in star trek, outer limits, etc. As far as inert alloys, alloy just means that alloy, a combination of two or more metals. The fact anyone can add some sand and smelt it into any combination therefore percentage is an odd foundation. The person is better of getting some paint chips of a stealth bomber and making an exotic claim like that.
Many flim flam artists claimed to have objects like meteor material, which can be duplicated or counterfeited, and sell it to ignorant buyers as there is a market for it.
Joe Firmage a millionaire,and ufo celebrity now, and very smart and good guy by the way, was allegedly conned, into buying bogus secret documents, by some other well know peddlers of government conspiracies, Yes, As there is for a big foot, among other things, there are almost as many people all too willing to accommodate that need, and we see the results all the time. Television Producers are certainly not exempt from doing the same.I would watch the show, just to see how the community can be bamboozled, by peddlers of sensationalism just to sharpen and hone our skills as "skeptics", and email back your thoughts and feelings after wards.
Maybe there is some "really big surprise" or"Biiiiig" blow in store that we will never recover from..
But I would not bet on it.

When Mufon went into the UFO television business,, and trademarked the title UFOhunters name also, I had an unpleasant feeling, there might be tradeoffs somewhere down the line, and the language of disingenuous research claims creep in become more prevalent. It certainly doesn't help us in this case.



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UFO hunters has been a HUGE disappointment, in my book. Particularly, the one episode where they found gold amulets in Columbia that looked like airplanes. These were CLEARLY flying fish. Clearly! Yet, they made models of them and proved that they could fly and therefore derived that they had been visited by aliens who had airplanes. Very, very lame.

reply to post by DaMod


not a metalurgist - but an engineer

now - please cite your " facts " - what EXACTLY is the claimed Si content ?

as i already pointed out just because a sample ` from the feild ` does not match the base spec of any commerical product or std - is irrelevant

simply welding a peice with an unaproved filler rod will create a sample of ` unknown composition ` by your standards

Maybee I am a bit on the slow side, but how does this constitute a blow to skeptics.
It does not neccessarily have to be of ET origin to not match any known aluminum alloy produced on our planet.

reply to post by ufo reality


Good vid and nice find thanks for sharing.

Actually ATS paid to have that tested as well, but I'm having problems finding the thread. Somewhere on here is a huge thread about this object. I can not remember the title.

Springer had it tested and if I recall the initial testing did not justify any further testing.

Anyone here remember the name of the thread? Springer are you around?