DHS Document Lists "Alternative Media" As Potential Terrorists (This Means You!)

Originally posted by logician magician
Should anyone be surprised?

Yes, because the government has all the data we do, and about ten times more.

Why would they find people who are afraid, to be a threat? They are clearly backing themselves into a corner, away from the common man. I think this is being done on purpose at the highest levels by people who are holdovers from the Nazi era. In fact, anyone who takes the EXTRA time to look beyond the cover stories find a lot of reasons to be distrustful of the authority. Power makes people drunk and it makes bodies of people even drunker.

Visit most alternative media sites, even ATS, and you'll see plenty of idiots saying "I'm ready to take up arms against the government!" or "They'll have to kill me to take away my weapons!" and things like that.

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I never quite understood what was so great about giving an alleged enemy your location, abilities, and intent...

Let me explain this to you: When a person feel their government might be infected with Nazis, they aren't going to silently sit in wait like some wacko Unabomber. No, they'll find a place on the Internet to talk to others in the hope that someone can come up with a better (non-violent) solution. Is that too hard for you to grasp?

Your brief post, attempting to paint us all as the wackos in this report, is seriously ill conceived. Maybe you didn't mean it, but in a way, posts like yours are exactly the point of the whole framing mechanism this report and this thread is about.

I just think it's hilarious that people wonder why the government wants to crack down on sites that are full of claims about going to war with the government, starting a revolution, etc.. etc...

Is it "hilarious"? I think your sense of humor is broken.

People are coming here to try and inject some common sense and thinking into a world governmental control matrix that has us all by the short hairs and which wil never acknowledge, never relent. They use any angle to perpetuate their force against the common man, be it at Waco or elsewhere. They are itching to lay the whole of the American common people, to waste.

Is that what you find, "hilarious"?

That the government is afraid of gun owners on the internet, only tells me how lost they are in their little bureaucratic administrative heads. I pity them, but no, there is no reason to use violence against them. The moral high ground will expose and destroy the Nazi ongoing control matrix. As these admins and judges back themselves away from the common American people (gunowning simple patriots) in a frightened way, it is they themselves who get weaker. It is they who are afraid and who will use force as a result of their fear. Each individual patriot need not succumb to that instinct.

But yes, I do agree that some people on here are a bit hasty in their "Come and get 'em!" gun-talk. And yes I am sure you'll agree that some of these fools are actually paid military shills designed to polarize ATS as a house of nutjob militant wackos. Certainly if I were contracted and empowered to engage in covert war with ATS, I would certainly seed people in the user ranks who were designed to mold the site, slowly, steadily toward whatever goal was in mind.

But so long as ATS remains real and remains true, then ATS has more credibility than the government which created the Internet in the first place. True statement.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
reply to post by ratcals

 

The same source as you posted. You clearly did not read all of it.

Um, yes I did read the whole article. Twice, and the phrase "That report was not recalled" does not appear in the article.

They did admit "causes further concern that Congress needs to get to the bottom of exactly how DHS determines what intelligence products to distribute to law enforcement officials around the country."

But that does not say or imply it was not recalled, you don't get to read between the lines and draw your own conclusion.


[edit on 5-5-2009 by ratcals]

Holy crap, They labeled almost our ENTIRE house of representatives as potential Domestic terrorists! What are we gonna do!

(U) leftwing
extremism
(U//FOUO) A movement of groups or individuals that
embraces anticapitalist, Communist, or Socialist doctrines
and seeks to bring about change through violent revolution
rather than through established political processes. The term
also refers to leftwing, single-issue extremist movements that
are dedicated to causes such as environmentalism, opposition
to war, and the rights of animals.
(also: far left, extreme left)

Originally posted by Animal
reply to post by dgtempe

 

Come on mate don't be intentionally daft. Talking about things you do not agree with is one thing, proposing revolution quite another.

While both are protected under the 1st amendment, the second is most defiantly going to attract the attention of the establishment.

Sorry that it bothers you...

You know for a guy who says 'mate' a lot...a primarily Austrailian and English slang term...you sure spend a lot of time advising Americans on their Constitution...what's up with that bro?

I guess now that the UK's citizens have lost most if not all their rights that there are some additional personnel freed up to work on American public oppinion...

Now if we only knew what country to send the Thank You card too.

reply to post by ratcals


You read the article twice and you did not read, "The report was not recalled"

The same "right-wing" definition appeared in a report last month that prompted an outcry in the veterans community for also suggesting that veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were targets for extremist groups to recruit for attacks against the U.S.

That report was not recalled; however, the department said it has instituted changes to more carefully review these reports before they are sent to local law enforcement agencies.

washingtontimes.com...

I've got a free voucher for an eye-test, if you want it.

[edit on 5-5-2009 by Indigo_Child]

if these conspiracies aren't true then yeah you guys are terrorrists, planning a revolution when none if needed.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
reply to post by ratcals

 

The same source as you posted. You clearly did not read all of it.

My bad, that exact verbage does appear in the article. I missed page two. HOWEVER, that quote is referring to the report regarding veterans.

"The same "right-wing" definition appeared in a report last month that prompted an outcry in the veterans community for also suggesting that veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were targets for extremist groups to recruit for attacks against the U.S.

That report was not recalled; however, the department said it has instituted changes to more carefully review these reports before they are sent to local law enforcement agencies."

I'm still taking the win on this one.

Originally posted by logician magician
Should anyone be surprised?

Visit most alternative media sites, even ATS, and you'll see plenty of idiots saying "I'm ready to take up arms against the government!" or "They'll have to kill me to take away my weapons!" and things like that.

Of course when you have an Internet full of citizens saying things like this, it's going to raise tons of red flags with the government that, those who admit these things, is allegedly monitoring.

I never quite understood what was so great about giving an alleged enemy your location, abilities, and intent...

I just think it's hilarious that people wonder why the government wants to crack down on sites that are full of claims about going to war with the government, starting a revolution, etc.. etc...

I haven't heard anyone say let's go to war with the government!!!!!

They're saying, the government needs to get a clue and start following the constitution and representing us.... instead of doing their own thing. They ARE saying that failing to do these things and staying on the course they're on will result in only one outcome....

Revolution and forced enforcement of the constitution by the populace...

Jaden

While this news might alarm many people who flock too and post on alternative news forums...you know what they say...no news is good news.

This is not bad news for us...this is bad news for the government...they understand clearly that they have problem...

Now here is the thing...who amongst us really comes off in person as a wild eyed, socially shunned, violent prone dillusional lunatic to our neighbors, co-workers, friends, employers and family?

My guess is most of us look, act, and live like the typical folks next door, and should the increasing realization of the government that a huge percentage of the U.S. population no longer approves of or condones it's actions start vissibly picking on the plain, come on over and throw a steak on the barbque crowd, with 2 cars in the garage and 2.5 kids in the house, it's only going to increase their image problems not enhance their image problems.

The more 'seige' mentality charachteristics the government takes on the better we who have a different perspective regarding the truth to share can take stock that our words are striking home at the black hearts who orchestrate all these charades and illussions that they suffer upon us, and they are becoming increasingly aware that their days are numbered and they are more and more showing signs of that growing fear that they have.

Sure they would love for us to be scared, and read stories like this and go, oh that's right, we are sheep, we better just follow the herd and do what the sheppard says...

The truth is there are so many more times us than them that they know when the moment of crytical mass comes that nothing can protect them and the people they count on protecting them aren't going to protect them when it's the mom and dads and grandmas and grandpas from next door that have massed without weapons but have just signs and banners saying..."Oh no, you got to go!"

It's an end of an age...their age of deception...the age of Pices is fast drawing to an end...Pices the fish, and more and more people are fishing...fishing for real answers...fishing for truth, and when more and more people realize that the answers that they are finding might not be deffinitive, might not be the whole truth, might not be nothing but the truth...but SURE AREN'T THE LIES THE MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT HAVE BEEN USING TO MANIPULATE...

Well then "Houston we have a problem" won't be far off from being uttered for the last time...when the good freedom and constitution loving people of this great diverse and industrious nation say "We have a solution"

This is bad news for them not for us, and don't let them twist it any other way!

Originally posted by Animal
reply to post by watchtheashes

 

right on dude.

that is why i loved gandhi and his concept of satyagraha.

so many of the self proclaimed 'patriots' who 'stand ready to defend us from the tyranny of the establishment' would do nothing but make our lot worse through their bumbling efforts.

sad, but IMHO true.

satyagraha on the other hand is specifically reasoned to do the opposite.

Ghandi had it in his powers to speak up and prevent the massacres which occured during separation - he chose not to enter into the issue as it was against his ways - millions dead - thanks mate.

Oh - and he advocated a way of life which would have - without doubt - caused the starvation and death of millions of Indians if they had of actually followed his advice.

Peaceful and passive resistance is not an absolute - in fact absolutes are the most dangerous kind of thinking there is - there are and always will be things which are worth defending -
you should consider this.

reply to post by ratcals


Nope, you're still not reading it properly. It says that the definition of right-wing terrorists that appears in the DHS document on Alternative Media is the same definition that appeared in the report, and the report was not recalled.

This particular DHS report according to this Washington Times article has not been approved yet, but this does not change the fact that such reports are in the pipeline and being authored by government agencies. It will be released with some modifications later on, just like the Patriot act was.

You should take a heads up and actively oppose such bills and make sure it does not happen. As soon as it is instititued any protest will be deemed terrorist activity.

reply to post by Indigo_Child



We’re talking apples and oranges here. I was specifically referring to reports. One written last month regarding veterans which was not recalled and one this month dealing with definitions which was recalled.

You are referring to specific definitions. You are citing "right-wing extremist" (you said terrorist but the exact verbiage used was extremist) as having been used in both reports and last month’s report was not recalled. All this month’s report, which has not been approved, does is clarify or define what a right-wing extremist is.

This is fun, I can’t wait for your next response. Although, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, but we shall see.

reply to post by Animal

You've missed the OP's point entirely.

DHS says they "recalled" the list? So what. It made it to the MSM and even ATS a month later; do you really think 'local yokels' just tossed it out or mailed it back?

The DHS spokesperson Kudwa can say whatever she, you, and DHS want to believe. However the document speaks for itself and CONTRADICTS the "official" DHS 'retraction in its own terms:

26 March 2009
Prepared by the Strategic Analysis Group and the Extremism and Radicalization Branch, Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division.
Homeland Security Reference Aids—prepared by the DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A)—provide baseline information on a variety of homeland security issues. This product is one in a series of reference aids designed to provide operational and intelligence advice and assistance to other elements of DHS, as well as state, local, and regional fusions centers.

DHS/I&A intends this background information to assist federal, state, local, and tribal homeland security and law enforcement officials in conducting analytic activities. This product provides definitions for key terms and phrases that often appear in DHS analysis that addresses the nature and scope of the threat that domestic, non-Islamic extremism poses to the United States. Definitions were derived from a variety of open source materials and unclassified information, then further developed during facilitated workshops with DHS intelligence analysts knowledgeable about domestic, non-Islamic extremism in the United States.

video1.washingtontimes.com...

Have you never heard of "plausible deniability?" Of course DHS is going to deny the existence of, or 'retract' disclosure of documents NOT MEANT TO BE SEEN BY THE PUBLIC!

The "Domestic Terrorism Lexicon" continues:

Warning: This document is UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY (U//FOUO). It contains information that may be exempt from public release under the Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C. 552). It is ... not to be released to the public, the media, or other personnel ... .

This product contains U.S. person information that has been deemed necessary for the intended recipient to understand, assess, or act on the information provided.

DHS has in place a program of advice and intelligence that uses these definitions whether this list has been retracted or not! LEOs everywhere are required to rely on these DHS reports and advisories in their ordinary conduct of "business."

Even if the "Lexicon" is "retracted," the DEFINITIONS exist and are in use everywhere.

These "definitions" provide any LEO sufficient "reasonable suspicion" to effect a stop of almost anyone!

Once stopped, you, your companions, and your immediate surroundings are subject to search, 'for the officer's protection.'


Consider just these 3 "definitions:"

"alternative media"
A term used to describe various information sources that provide a forum for interpretations of events and issues that differ radically from those presented in mass media products and outlets.

"leftwing extremism"
A movement of groups or individuals that embraces anticapitalist, Communist, or Socialist doctrines and seeks to bring about change through violent revolution rather than through established political processes. The term also refers to leftwing, single-issue extremist movements that are dedicated to causes such as environmentalism, opposition to war, and the rights of animals.

"rightwing extremism"
A movement of rightwing groups or individuals who can be broadly divided into those who are primarily hate-oriented, and those who are mainly antigovernment and reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority. This term also may refer to rightwing extremist movements that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

See, the actual document: "Domestic Extremism Lexicon"
video1.washingtontimes.com...

Tell the businessman in Dallas who was ARRESTED for displaying an anti-Oama sign on his work vehicle that he has nothing to worry about. Tell the Georgia travelers, pulled over and searched for displaying "left-wing" bumper stickers, that it's Okay, DHS changed its mind.

Having worked in law enforcement, I am thoroughly familiar with many agencies and officers who have nothing better to do than exercise their "authority" at every opportunity the can find, OR CREATE!

You can't "recall" a mentality. You can't recall fear, hatred and prejudice.
DHS has adopted this 'siege mentality' as doctrine.

How do you "recall" denial of the right to speak out on, criticize, or disagree with 'accepted doctrine.'

The UK is a different world, altogether. You forget that Americans REVOLTED against your way of thinking. I'm sure your views and feelings would be welcomed when you return.

Your "Home Office" publishes lists of people "Banned from Entry to the UK" because they are "considered to have engaged in" certain THOUGHT!

"Home Office 'Names and Shames' 16 People Banned From UK"
www.guardian.co.uk...

Americans are allowed to believe things, and even advocate for and endorse them, that may be antithetical to the "establishment."

If you can't accept that, I'm sure there are regular international flights out of "Nuevo Mexico."

Deny ignorance.

jw

Originally posted by ratcals

My bad, that exact verbage does appear in the article. I missed page two.
...
I'm still taking the win on this one.

Wrong. You are most definitely wrong.

The real question is, do you do this intentionally (disinformation) or passively (deception)?

"Take" what you want, but that doesn't make you right. You haven't read the Document; forget the "article." Here it is:
video1.washingtontimes.com...

Go directly to the source if you want to argue about or even discuss the contents of the document. You can never rely on some third-party's representation without opening yourself up to deception.

The "Lexicon" clearly states it is 'one of a series' of such documents issued to law enforcement. It also sates these terms and defintions are used throughout similar DHS publications and advisories!

The "Lexicon" was retracted? So what?

You cannot "retract" an ideology!

Deny ignorance!

jw

Originally posted by titorite

And I do think our nation is Fubar but that does not mean I am gonna take up arms without being fired upon first. As long as the evils of a tyranny are sufferable the people will likely suffer rather than risk all for the unknown.

Ever heard the boiled frog theory?

the water is warming up, one degree at a time.. by the time the frog catches on, he's dead..

BUT, when you take away a mans right to what he can think and say a man without a voice will resort to fists to communicate his or her discontent.

Why do you think the PTB are militarizing and putting cameras everywhere?

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
reply to post by ratcals

 

You should take a heads up and actively oppose such bills and make sure it does not happen. As soon as it is instititued any protest will be deemed terrorist activity.

If you read the actual document (see my link below), you'll see that these definitions already are being used by DHS and law enforcement!

The "Lexicon" was recalled, but not the advisory program of which it is "one of a series."

This was leaked even thought it states it is exempt from FOIA, and FOUO ("For Official Use Only").

We are in far deeper trouble than even the most paranoid would imagine.

jw

The Feds have always looked at sites such as this as "anti-government" bare in mind that both parties are funded by all these msm conglomerates who don't like any kind of competition no matter how small.Why do you think Jay Rockefeller is so determined to try and control the net? besides exposing his imperialist family's and their friends ideas for us. Alternative news sites cause people to question what they see,read and hear and we can't have that now can we?

Wow I can tell some of you have obviously never stepped foot in America. Some of you Brits should take a look at your own country and see how pathetic it is. America is headed in your direction unfortunately. If ANY OF YOU think peaceful protest and trying to change the system by getting involved in politics and voting is going to alter the current course the USA is on you are delusional and know nothing of history. Ghandi? LOL. Look at that part of the world. It was and never will be ANYTHING like America. They have yet to embrace nor experience freedom like we have in America. Our freedoms are dwindling both personal and economic, which you can't have one without the other. And sometimes a revolution is the only way to take back power from a corrupt and tyrannical government. I pray that when that time comes I will be side by side with my fellow freedom loving Americans who would lay down their life for liberty than some schmucks scared of what their government thinks or will do. We don't live in a utopia. Violence and the use of force has always been and will always continue to be necessary at times.

Our government is way beyond help. They are so far gone into the direction of tyranny and corruption the American people have figuratively been disarmed decades ago. Only the sheep and those who live in other countries don't realize this. There will be a civil war in America in my lifetime. And I pray we have the balls to see it through to the end regardless of what our government threatens.

Its the government who should fear its people not the people who should fear their government. This is a basic premise of being American. If you foreign lackeys don't understand it than shut up. It's why we were the greatest country in the world and why the world flocked to come to America. And it's why our forefathers shed blood to protect it.

Originally posted by Animal

I would say if you were TRULY interested in creating change for the BENEFIT of the nation you would try to work within the system first by getting people to participate.

Simply choosing to bypass working with the system and destroying it, IMHO, shows a acute lack of true care and concern and is more representative of a negative path than positive one.

Either you haven't been living in the real world for quite some time, or idealism has just overtaken you. Take a look around. The system has failed. Failed miserably at that. At the rate this government is going at now, how much longer do you think it really has?

I'm not calling for a revolution to destroy the government, or anything like that, because I know well enough to know the government is destroying itself, at a pretty fast rate.

Let the powerful reduce themselves to nothing through their own greed and self sabotage, then pick up the pieces.

[edit on 6-5-2009 by grimreaper797]

Originally posted by Master_Wii

DHS Document Lists "Alternative Media" As Potential Terrorists (THIS MEANS YOU!)

www.tdbimg.com

A new Homeland Security document that received little attention during last week’s swine flu coverage shockingly lists the “alternative media” with other radical extremist groups and implies that people who disagree with the mass media’s version of events are potential domestic terrorists.

The “official use only” document is entitled “Domestic Extremism Lexicon” and was released on March 26, two weeks before the infamous “right-wing extremists” report that generated so much media attention throughout April.

[edit on 4-5-2009 by Master_Wii]
Don't you know that "Progressives" view all political opponents as potential terrorists?
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[edit on 5 May 09 by Gools]