The "jagged pill" that we all must swallow...

The control of childbirth among the human population of the earth is coming within this century. And it is a paradigm (however distasteful) that we all must deal with.

To do nothing, is to doom our descendants. Given unchecked population
growth, we, as a species, like any controlled experiment where an
organism is introduced into a fertile and finite environment (ie. a petri dish)
we will eventually founder in its own waste.

Sorry folks. This is truth. The alternatives to not policing our own
population are famine, disease, and the death of the environment
we occupy (our petri dish).

Don't shoot the messenger...

Originally posted by rival


The "jagged pill" that we all must swallow...

The control of childbirth among the human population of the earth is coming within this century. And it is a paradigm (however distasteful) that we all must deal with.

To do nothing, is to doom our descendants. Given unchecked population
growth, we, as a species, like any controlled experiment where an
organism is introduced into a fertile and finite environment (ie. a petri dish)
we will eventually founder in its own waste.

Sorry folks. This is truth. The alternatives to not policing our own
population are famine, disease, and the death of the environment
we occupy (our petri dish).

Don't shoot the messenger...

Horse pucky.

Every nation that has female controlled fertility and education has a population reduction happening.

The clear solution to the "problem" is to have women be educated and in control of their own fertility.

That is the fastest, most humane, solution in the World. It requires no such stupidity as you are suggesting.

The evidence is clear. And it is all around you. No such measures are required.

However, as is very common rather than do that you WANT control of people. You WANT to impose your will inside of other people's bodies.

This is obvious, because the solution that is already clearly working doesn't satisfy your need to control. The solution that works gives control to other people. It gives control of themselves to....each individual. And you cannot trust individuals with controlling themselves.

Star for you Andy1033.

All drugs have side effects that are not desirable. Valproate is a drug that's use should be clearly a last option.

We will come to a point sooner or later that we will be forced by nature to limit births.

We humans are much too careless concerning contraception.

When Joe the drug abuser and alcoholic with a low IQ and mental problems has sex with Mary, the whore with HIV and low IQ and they produce an offspring it should be a crime against nature.

Or how about when the manic depressive male that frequently talks of sucide and the crack whore make a baby. Shame , shame, shame.

Why should people that don't give a damn about their lives be allowed to bring an innocent child into the world.

In my opinion some people should not ever have children. When my mother said this to me many years ago I called her Hitler. Now, I see and understand why she said what she did.

Being a parent is the most important job you will ever have. If more people realized that fact we would not have parents killing, molesting and doing other horrible things to children.

Babies cannot chose the circumstances they are born into. But we can.

Life is not all fluff and a bowl of cherries. It's time we became responsible people and not have unwanted and uncared for babies with no chance in hell of having a decent chance at life.

As far as couples that cannot conceive they could adopt a homeless baby and give it a chance. To adopt a child is to give the gift of a love and a chance to have a good life.

Again, this IS not about whether it's okay to have rampant breeding or not .


This is about GENOCIDE, and lowering offspring's IQ forevermore. It's about THROWING AWAY hard-earned robust epigenetics that our ancestors died for in order to make intelligent humans obsolete.

Well it does not have to be quite so obvious as poisoning 80% of the population..

Maybe just something that makes you sterile. Interesting concept.

S+F

We've got enough people. We're not even taking care of the kids we already have. When every child has a roof over its head, food, clean water, medical care, education, and safety, then tell me about we shouldn't depopulate the world.

Plus, of course, it's silly to sterilize people with cancer, who statistically are at the *end* of their childbearing years.

How can you be sure your congenital autoimmune disorder couldn't have been triggered by something environmental, such as gluten in your diet, or a virus? Why so quick to diss your own genetics?

Again, this trend to go from approval of selective sterilization as an procedure being scaled up to approval of a clandestine indiscriminate non-pharmacologically-consistent-dosing method of FERTILITY AND IQ REDUCTION (not total sterilization) ... it does not follow ..... Seriously I'm sorry if you guys were abused or something not to love life enough to protect yourself or your families..

How can you be pro sterilization AND pro fluoride/depakote/bisphenol A? You say you want kids to grow up healthy and have no genetic disadvantages but yet you approve of lowering the subject's IQ while they're alive and depakote lowers their offsprings' IQ increasing genetic abnormalities....

If you wanted to sterilize someone, you could have tubes tied....you don't mess with their DNA. Period. Right tool for the Right Job. That's why I repeat...this is about indiscriminate epigenocide....not about whether you think it's okay if crack babies have kids....separate issue not for this thread, please.


[edit on 4-5-2009 by elusive1]

Originally posted by elusive1

Researchers followed about 260 children born to pregnant women in the United States and United Kingdom between 1999 and 2004. They found that by age three, toddlers whose mothers had taken valproate had an average IQ of 92 compared to scores of between 98 and 101 for children of women who had taken other drugs, including lamotrigine, phenytoin, and carbamazepine.

i am at a loss for words except to say nothing shocks me anymore. i'm tired of getting upset with big pharma and big brother (which is exactly what "they" want i'm sure)........

I've had a hunch that this sort of thing has been going on. What better way to implement a means of depopulation that to over prescribe drugs for any type of syndrome, phobia, disease, and disorder that the medical and pharmaceutical industry can come up with? Hell, for all we know there are drugs being doled out which, taking alone may be harmless, but when combined with other drugs will have the same result of making a person sterile.

I, too, do not agree with the covert means by which this is being done. People have the right to choose. However, considering the reckless way that humanity is living on this planet, something must be done. And a silent means of controlling the population is among the most logical that I can think of, at least in terms of how I would consider doing it if I was one of the folks pulling the strings.

This might sound a little funny, and even strange, but I'm surprised there has not been some sort of marketing campaign to make voluntary sterility fashionable. I wonder how many young people would do it if they saw their favorite celebrities saying how cool it is. And let's not forget all of the sex they could have without condoms! Sick and perverted, yes, but this is the world we live in.

As someone else mentioned, this does resemble an episode of Stargate SG-1. There is another episode where SG-1 travels to a system of planets where a race called the Ashen call home. Among the planets live several different civilizations, one of which is visited by SG-1 to learn why their once advanced society had declined and why the population dropped. They discovered that while the Ashen made themselves appear as selfless, advanced, and caring, they had a much more sinister plan than assisting the people on the other planets. By offering the others a way to maintain good health through the use of their advanced medicines and technology, they seemed to be helping. But the drugs made the people impotent. I forget the exact way that it was put in the show, but in essence their plan was to be patient and let the populations of other worlds become unexpectedly sterile and eventually cease to exist. Once that happened, then the Ashen could move in and take advantage of the resources of the planets.