creationism and how things evolve, page 1

reply to post by Gawdzilla

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Don't forget natural selection. I fancy I can see that happening on even my own little microsystem -- wild chickens. They produce offspring that are either yellow or black. The black ones are almost impossible to see in the bush if they hold still and are quiet. The yellow ones stand out. When a presumed predator approaches, the hens somehow settle the chicks down and they freeze, quietly tucked around their mother.

I see very few of the yellow chicks -- if any -- survive. I believe it is because the wild dogs and feral cats spy them and eat them. It's the only explanation I can think of, as they all seem to run equally fast.

We're now on our sixth generation (near as I can figure) of wild chickens. They came from a nearby coop in which the owner elected to turn them loose and range "free". So far this year, I've seen no hens with yellow chicks, except one, and she only had one yellow and six black.

Originally posted by argentus
reply to post by Gawdzilla

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Don't forget natural selection. I fancy I can see that happening on even my own little microsystem -- wild chickens. They produce offspring that are either yellow or black. The black ones are almost impossible to see in the bush if they hold still and are quiet. The yellow ones stand out. When a presumed predator approaches, the hens somehow settle the chicks down and they freeze, quietly tucked around their mother.

The coloration, if it doesn't change over time, is a mutation. "Natural selection" helps determine which mutations are favorable and which unfavorable.

reply to post by etherical waterwave

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Can someone run this through BabbleFish and translate it for me. Am I stupid or something because I dont understand the OP. Maybe I have been deafened by the Lord.

reply to post by Gawdzilla

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Agree. The coloration of the chicks -- at least in the 15 years we've been here -- are either yellow or black. Initially there seemed to be a general even mix of both. Of late, just the one yellow that I've seen. I can think of no other reason for their genes not being passed on (the yellow) other than they don't survive. Now there may be reasons I haven't thought of to account for why the yellow don't survive, but if my reasoning is sound, then that is a micro-natural selection -- the more adapted coloration survives....... sort of like the mechanisms that produce camoflauge in various species.

Cheers

Originally posted by argentus
reply to post by Gawdzilla

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Agree. The coloration of the chicks -- at least in the 15 years we've been here -- are either yellow or black. Initially there seemed to be a general even mix of both. Of late, just the one yellow that I've seen. I can think of no other reason for their genes not being passed on (the yellow) other than they don't survive. Now there may be reasons I haven't thought of to account for why the yellow don't survive, but if my reasoning is sound, then that is a micro-natural selection -- the more adapted coloration survives....... sort of like the mechanisms that produce camoflauge in various species.

Cheers

All mutations are "micro", unless somebody has DNA that you can see with the naked eye and I wasn't notified.

I was just wondering if the yellow chicks turned black after a bit? If they don't, and the yellow ones are disappearing, it's likely predation or disease is the culprit.

reply to post by justsomeboreddude

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I'm not trying to speak for the OP. While I don't endorse creationism, I think what the OP has done is create a prose that says basically, The ALL THAT IS created the word, and the word of God has power to create, and modify and evolve. That's what I get from it anyway. For myself, there is no disparity between spirituality and science....... sort of different language for similar phenomenon, however I do believe that Creationism seeks to introduce religion under the guise of inexact and smushy science and therefore is not my cuppa tea. JMO.

reply to post by argentus

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Thank you so much. You are a genius if you could figure that out.

reply to post by Gawdzilla

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I hope the OP doesn't mind us taking this minor divergence from the vector of the thread.

Yes, you're quite right. At one time, I could see the yellow chicks grow and molt into a light-colored chicken adult. The black ones seem to maintain that same dark coloration, although not AS dark as an adult. It's been a sort of interesting observation of mine. If these were cooped chickens, I think all bets would be off, but since they range in the bush, SOMETHING is causing the lighter colored chicks to die before adulthood. The reason I see them at all is that they required cleared ground to dig in to find food and sand. The only cleared ground for several hundred yards is our little 2000 sq. ft. around the house.

reply to post by justsomeboreddude

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So what he is saying is that God spoke and when he spoke DNA spat out of his mouth like when you start talking and you accidentally spit a little drop?

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by justsomeboreddude

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So what he is saying is that God spoke and when he spoke DNA spat out of his mouth like when you start talking and you accidentally spit a little drop?

Sound like the creationist spin on things, certainly.

reply to post by Gawdzilla

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Oh if its the creationist spin on it wouldnt it be more like God spat out DNA 6000 years ago and the day before he spat out an entire universe that just appears to be 14 billion years old (give or take a billion).

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by Gawdzilla

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Oh if its the creationist spin on it wouldnt it be more like God spat out DNA 6000 years ago and the day before he spat out an entire universe that just appears to be 14 billion years old (give or take a billion).

You forget that the speed of light used to be slower "back then". Evidently that was enough for T-rex to be a vegetarian.

reply to post by Gawdzilla

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I went to the Creation Museum in KY and they said that maybe the speed of light is different in different parts of the universe, so maybe its faster in those parts that is why we can see stars that are more than 6000 light years away.

I know I can be full of it sometimes, but I swear this is a true story.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by Gawdzilla

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I went to the Creation Museum in KY and they said that maybe the speed of light is different in different parts of the universe, so maybe its faster in those parts that is why we can see stars that are more than 6000 light years away.

I know I can be full of it sometimes, but I swear this is a true story.

That one gets a Hovind Factor of 10 every time I hear it. The mental contortions that are required for "creation science" would be enough to get a person locked up in a heavily upholstered room if anyone thought they were actually serious.

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