Obama Supports Treaty Outlawing Gun Possession!

Originally posted by LAUGHING-CAT
reply to post by mikerussellus

 

Now that the 12 year olds have hi-jacked the thread, now what?
Jack-ass reply

My apologies. This has been coming for some time though, and either I laugh or I cry.

Either way, I'm still keeping my ammo.

Sorryif interjecting some silliness was inappropriate.

reply to post by maybereal11


So... WTF is your point then??? Sounds like making guns illegal in this country wouldn't change a thing in Mexico. Your posts make no sense.

Look, I understand that you're afraid of guns. I get that. I also get that you're prepared to change the Constitution in THIS country for a false sense of security in another country even though the cartel would still have guns - lots of them! But you're not making a lick of sense. You're stretching from one non-sequitur to another completely abandoning your previous argument every step of the way. Tis the Liberal way, sadly!

You'd serve yourself well to read a little Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin!

Sounds like a fair shout to me. As Americans continue to murder each other with legally obtained guns it would cleary lead to a drop in the murder rate. But will it lead to a defenseless people against their government?

Originally posted by Keyhole
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As I stated before, this is nothing but a bunch of paranoia from the author of that article!

Sorry to rain in your parade but you are wrong.

From that same article you posted.

MINDFUL of the pertinent resolutions of the United Nations General Assembly on measures to eradicate the illicit transfer of conventional weapons and on the need for all states to guarantee their security, and of the efforts carried out in the framework of the Inter-American Drug Abuse Control Commission (CICAD);

First of all, reloading would be viewed as being "illicit", even though many people reload their own ammunition.

Second of all, this treaty will give sovereignty over to the United Nations.

Third of all, one of the goals of the UN is to disarm the people in every nation, which is part of their "Global Disarmament" policy.

Nomatter how many times those that those who suppor the UN, or the regulation of any firearms, every time governments have claimed "we are not after people's firearms" Law abidding citizens were banned from owning firearms. Examples are Australia, and Britain.

The British people had the largest peaceful demonstration in the country's history, and the main message in that demonstration, which was taped, was that "if it happened to us, it will happen to you".



[edit on 4-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Trojan horse = The mainstream media.

The payload = President BO

This is how our country has been infected with the virus that will destroy it from the inside out. This has been a goal at least decades in the planning.

The Socialist coup of the United States is nearly complete. The dumbing down of America is paying off.

The tiny, teeny conservative media warned all along about who this Obama guy was.

A lone voice drowned in a sea of the left-wing propaganda machines that Americans trust as "un-biased news outlets".

Free speech is at this moment being outlawed under the "Hate Crime" bill.

Remember how it was suggested that only racists criticised and questioned candidate Obama?

Political correctness will soon be law, not just an annoying trait possessed by unhinged liberals.

Thought crimes will soon have very real consequences.

Expose Obama

Have a doubleplusgood day, comrades.

BTW, in case any of the members who posted here haven't seen it. Here is the video on the British largest peaceful demonstration in the country's history, and what the people in Britain have to tell us.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
Sounds like a fair shout to me. As Americans continue to murder each other with legally obtained guns it would cleary lead to a drop in the murder rate. But will it lead to a defenseless people against their government?

Sorry but that's BS, British citizens were banned from owning firearms since 1996, and it only almost doubled crimes with guns, if not doubled it. It also increased exponentially all sorts of crime, that even the police now have guns, and use bulletproof vests, when before they didn't have to.

The same is happening in Australia, and every other country where citizens were banned from owning firearms...

Criminals get their guns illegally for the most part, and banning firearms will only make it so that criminals only, and the government have firearms...

Stop trying to impose your own ideals on others because you are ignorant of the facts please, thank you...

[edit on 4-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by maybereal11
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I don't get it the whole "secure the border" BS. It's great political speak, but everyone knows where there is a will there is a way. Supply or demand ...only on those two fronts do you gain ground.

Do tell us how are you planning to do that when governments in nations like China, Russia, and others are en league with gun runners because they work for the government?...

Do we declare war on these countries? What about the American politicians who are in on these deals?...

You will NEVER stop illegal gun trafficking...never, banning citizens from owning firearms will only increase criminal activity on the overall and give more powers to criminal governments, and those governments who ban firearms which will, if they are not already criminal.

[edit on 4-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

The arguements for gun control are as stable as my previous statement on gun powder causing swine flu. You can SAY it all you want, but that won't make it true.
Now granted, the MSM has made it a great business in telling and retelling lies so often that they then report it as the truth, but just believing the lie doesn't make it true. No matter how much they wish it could.
America is (was?) the best country on the planet because of the Constitution.
If just one of a group of students is getting an A and the rest are getting C's, then how are you making that ONE student better by changing all of his grades to a C?

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Keyhole
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As I stated before, this is nothing but a bunch of paranoia from the author of that article!

Sorry to rain in your parade but you are wrong.

From that same article you posted.

MINDFUL of the pertinent resolutions of the United Nations General Assembly on measures to eradicate the illicit transfer of conventional weapons and on the need for all states to guarantee their security, and of the efforts carried out in the framework of the Inter-American Drug Abuse Control Commission (CICAD);

First of all, reloading would be viewed as being "illicit", even though many people reload their own ammunition.

Do you have anything backing up this claim that this bill says anything about reloading?

"Illicit" means illegal.

Given that handloading is perfectly legal in the United States, how would reloading be viewed as "illicit"

If this treaty said anything of the sort, I'd be glad to oppose it.

But it doesn't.

You're just making stuff up

Blog Blog Blog,... It is always the same, I argue with you and you argue with me and nothing is ever accomplished. Look Great topic but lets face it . to even think about outlawing guns in THIS country would be like the Hatfields and Mcoys (pardon the spelling) It is almost comical from a sick way to think about the Idea of what that will do to this country. Us against them. Really? yeah that sound great. well I suppose if your a NWO fan and believe in population control, that would be possible. Cause that would be the next step with the government if you didn't abide by the rules, right...? I don't believe this will happen.The NRA is no golf club.

As was said somewhat ineloquantly earlier, the bad will overtake the good if the good do nothing in allowance of the bad.

Hah @ your eloquence, not that I don't agree with you, but I think what you were trying to articulate was this.

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

By the way, the NRA is against CIFTA but not exactly because they think it will "bury the Second Amendment," as Alex Jones said.

You can read the full (short) NRA statement on their website:

The treaty does include language suggesting that it is not intended to restrict "lawful ownership and use" of firearms . Despite those words, the NRA knows that anti-gun advocates will still try to use this treaty to attack gun ownership in the U.S.

Personally, I don't see anyone in the US believing an international treaty trumps the Constitution. But it's a story ripe for hype and rhetoric on either side...which distracts from debating the reality.

*Snip*

Staff Edit: Please Remain On Topic

[edit on 5/4/09 by niteboy82]

Originally posted by xmotex

Do you have anything backing up this claim that this bill says anything about reloading?

"Illicit" means illegal.

Given that handloading is perfectly legal in the United States, how would reloading be viewed as "illicit"

If this treaty said anything of the sort, I'd be glad to oppose it.

But it doesn't.

You're just making stuff up

I made this up really?...

I guess I made the following up also..

July 27, 2004
Ammunition Coding System - A Revolutionary Way to Identify Bullets
Almost every day you can open your local newspaper and read a story about a shooting where no evidence is left, except the victim and a bullet. According to the Untied States Department of Justice, there is at least a 37% chance of never finding a killer in a crime involving a firearm. By making the bullet itself a more useable piece of evidence (without having to also find the gun) we can greatly increase the chance that law enforcement will solve more crimes.

Ravensforge has developed a patent pending technology: the Ammunition Coding System ("ACS"). ACS will assign a unique code to every bullet sold. By maintaining a record of purchases of ammunition, law enforcement personnel will be able to easily trace the ownership of any ammunition involved in a crime.

The ballistic fingerprinting system which is currently under consideration is an alternative plan to ACS. However, ballistic fingerprinting has many weaknesses. Most importantly, it won't deal with the millions of guns currently owned. It is estimated that at any given point in time there is only a four to five year supply of ammunition in the marketplace. Because of these ongoing sales, ACS will provide current and updated information on all ammunition users. This information won't be available if gun ownership is used as the primary source of identification.

In 1992, approximately 5.4 billion bullets were sold in the US alone. It is safe to assume that this number is trending upward. We estimate that 8-10 billion bullets were sold in the US in 2002. ACS has the capacity to accommodate this rate of sales for decades to come without duplicating the codes.

www.policeone.com

I guess I also made this up....

Help Pass the Ammunition Accountability Act

The 2008 Legislative session has begun, and the Ammunition Accountability Act is being introduced across the country. Below is a summary of legislation that has been introduced throughout the United States. To view the bills' status click on the links to the individual bills.

Sample Legislation: The Ammunition Accountability Act

Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.

ammunitionaccountability.org...

In the above there are even links to the bills proposed in the different states.

But hey, I guess I made all of that up...

You will never changed xmotex, just like you claimed the administration wouldn't do many things it has done.

The only one making things up is you in this regard, so mind your claims that I am lying when it is obvious you are the one lying.



[edit on 4-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


You do realize the topic of this thread is about CIFTA.

Just grabbing any old source on the net and saying 'SEE I TOLD YA' makes little sense.

reply to post by kinda kurious


Oh boy...just when you think the OP couldn't be hijacked anymore by ignorant people...

Originally posted by Animal
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

You do realize the topic of this thread is about CIFTA.

Just grabbing any old source on the net and saying 'SEE I TOLD YA' makes little sense.

Oh, i see, so posting articles that back my statements and those of the OP, and other members makes no sense...

Got ya....

And do you REALLY think that they are going to OUTLAW breaking your own firearm to clean it!

Let's get real here!



[edit on 5/4/2009 by Keyhole]

I don't know if this was sarcasm.

I'm going to act like it wasn't.

You break down your firearm to clean it. It doesn't mean you break it. It means you take it apart and clean each piece and put it back together.

I really hope you was being sarcastic.

Seems Obama is realizing that the people are waking up.