Obama Supports Treaty Outlawing Gun Possession!

reply to post by maybereal11

I personally find your reference and comparison of the U.S. securing her borders and the Berlin wall, insulting.
We in the U.S. as a people, encourage the free exchange of ideas. And the Berlin wall was meant to stop not only the exchange but the very soul of humanity, family, from communicating with each other.
All of the gun grabbers say that if only this or that is done, it will reduce deaths by firearm. In other words, incrementalism, the ideologues plaything.
I say if we secure our borders, much will be accomplished. That's my brand of incrementalism.

The OP articles title says, "Obama Supports Treaty Outlawing Gun Possession!", yet no where in the article does it even mention OUTLAWING gun possession!

The only thing in the article that they seem to be worried about is, ...

www.infowars.com...

It would criminalize ammunition reloading (defined as explosives manufacture) and gun assembly (including firearm kits and presumably breaking down weapons for cleaning or transport).

Nowhere in the article does it state gun possession would or will become illegal!

And do you REALLY think that they are going to OUTLAW breaking your own firearm to clean it!

Let's get real here!

Or in the CIFTA Treaty!

See my post on the bottom of page 6 to find out exactly what CIFTA is!

As I stated before, this is nothing but a bunch of paranoia from the author of that article!

[edit on 5/4/2009 by Keyhole]

It's funny how those who demand that charity at gunpoint be implemented are the same who wish to disarm the citizenry. Guess they want to corner the market on looting.


TA

This is funny... we have a bunch of fringe chicken littles running around crying that the sky is falling without actually looking to see that the sky cant technically and scientifically fall.... Alex is an opportunist and an alarmest... next week it will be some other disinfo.

Nobody is going to take your guns away, the article never stated legal gun owners will be stripped of their weapons. The OP is a liar and those fringers in agreement are not helping to deny ignorance. No once did any of you alex jones believers over here prove the treaty doing such.

Deny ignorance... for the sake of this forum.

Recent Supreme Court Decision on Gun Rights shoots down gun control laws.

The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history.

So much for the anti-gun argument. This confirmed we have the inalienable Constitutional Right to own guns for self-defense and hunting.

The only way now for the bizarre anti-gun lobby to win is to change the Constitution. The Supreme Court will most likely never agree to hear this again and has already ruled.

What is being discussed is removing the rights of people to enjoy target shooting, hunting or to protect themselves. That is indefensible.

To be afraid of an inanimate object is by definition a Phobia. Apparently many suffer from this Phobia. In the history of the Universe no gun has ever self animated and committed a murder. Murders are committed by murderers, not guns.

I worry more about people who want to take away peoples rights to defend their lives and property. What reasoning is behind that? Logic would tell me it is because they wan't the ability to do things to me against my wishes, so they don't want me armed. If they are worried I would use a gun to defend myself or family, they must want to do something to others bad enough to warrant my using a gun.

To those of you in countries where you have no right to self-defense. Exactly how will you stop your own government if they go rogue as many have in history? Do you really think throwing rocks and bottles at cops in the streets will protect you?

You wake up in the middle of the night. An armed intruder with an illegal weapon he could buy anywhere on earth has just broken into your home. The fastest response time you can expect from the Police is 5 to 7 minutes. He has a gun pointed at your children's heads and is going to pull the trigger. How are the Police going to save your children's lives when they won't be there for 5 more minutes and the trigger will be pulled in a few seconds? They won't of course, your children are dead and you their protector chose not to protect them by making the decision that guns are wrong for you a law abiding citizen knowing full well the criminals can get guns at will.

Perhaps a little overkill but true all the same.

Another side to this coin is that any reasonably intelligent person could manufacture a gun and ammunition with a few easy to get tools in their own garage metal shop. If the supply disappeared from the black market, how long before somebody started building their own?

You can not put a dent in crime by taking their weapons away, you have to put the criminals and violent people away.

I propose that gun crime and violent crime in the US has nothing to do with gun availability. It has everything to do with a liberal court system where incredibly dangerous people are given short sentences and then thrown back out into the streets. The same people who want the guns outlawed are the ones who see to it the violent people are pampered in jail and released to do harm again. Why is that. You don't want anyone to defend themselves one day. The next day you are screaming how bad Cops are demanding dangerous people not be contained, poor little darlings. You in fact are more dangerous than guns ever could be.

To those from other countries who do not understand. Here in the US, thanks to the Far Left in our society criminals who commit violent crimes get really short sentences and then put back out into the streets to commit more crimes. The same people who advocate that advocate gun control. Then they blame it on the guns rather than on the violent criminals who's rights they fought so hard to protect.

reply to post by Blaine91555


taken from the article of your blaine:

The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history.

The court's 5-4 ruling struck down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision went further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most firearms laws intact.

All I can say is and? This treaty and article discussing it never mentioned any ban on legal fire arms and legal fire arm sales in the US. If you have a licence, if you legally own a gun, I dont see any issue with that, I dont see the Obama administration doing anything against that.

reply to post by impressme


Thank you, little yellow dancing chicken. You've done a bit of research on this issue, rather than just trading rhetoric like the rest of us, myself included.

Much respect and appreciation.

Originally posted by Common Good
Obama and the democrats wanna take our Guns?
They dont say,,,,wow.
I never saw this comming.

They want power they cannot have, an absolutely WILL NOT have.
Its like they have a death wish or something. I mean come on, our
leaders should be smarter than that. Well, if they try this, I can guarantee(along with many other armed Americans) that they are going to hit a wall of pissed off and armed citizens ready to defend their liberties as if it were their own lives.

Most of the time "CHANGE" comes with the price of blood.
I hope they get smart, real quick. This wont be fun for anyone if they dont.

Civil war? it will be very interesting to see what happens as the ones behind the scenes of control don't want to see such blasphemy as a country covered in blood and crashing itself into the ground along with the world.

really.

Although it a swift outbreak of violence would be the only choice, i'm pretty sure the 130,000,000 gun holders in the U.S. will be uncosidered.

Really though Obama doesn't think we are all against him he thinks it would be safer, and it would be safer people wont stupidly kill there own kind.

But, DON'T TAKE MY SECURITY OBAMA

All in favor of gun ban! NOT I!

Originally posted by andy1033
This is the only thing that obama is right about so far.

I am sure plnety of americans will disagree though, and i just wonder how they will get the guns if ever of you lot.

Obama is right to take away our right to own and bear arms?...

I am pretty sure those who voted for you, and you are not Americans, if you are, please move to Britain and see how well everything is going there after they banned guns...

[edit on 4-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

I don’t own a gun, I never have. I know how to shoot. When I was younger I made it a point of responsibility to know my way around a gun, how to handle, clean, and fire one accurately and safely. I would go to the local shooting range and rent various caliber pistols to do this. I took a few lessons from a qualified marksman. I am hardly combat ready or qualified, but then again who is ready for combat, even when you are trained for it and have been exposed to it before? If someone tossed me a gun or I had to pick one up I would know what to do with it, and how to do it, and would have a pretty good chance at hitting my target.

I thought about buying my own gun but decided against it for one reason. That was the common gun wisdom if you pull a gun on someone you better be ready to shoot them and there is no point in pulling a gun on someone unless you are ready to shoot them.

I thought long and hard about that, and realized, I really don’t want to ever have to shoot anyone so best way to ensure that was by not owning a gun.

I learned to shoot because I truly believe every American should know how to safely operate and aim a firearm. In fact my wife and I learned together at the gun ranges.

I am not worried about criminals having guns. Professional robbers only want one thing, money and valuables, their guns are more about protecting themselves in that enterprise.
I don’t own anything more valuable than my life so when that cool collected mature robber asks for my wallet, I hand it to them and usually ask if I can keep my Driver’s License and Bank Cards. That’s happened 4 times in my life and they as I hoped and suspected said “sure”.

Seven times though in my life the robber wasn’t cool calm collected or professional. They didn’t know their way around the guns they were brandishing, and since I couldn’t count on them not to shoot me deliberately or accidentally since they weren’t professionals I gave them each one verbal warning to do an about face and leave me alone and when they didn’t I disarmed them on each occasion. I am not ashamed to say that two of them had been so obnoxious I robbed them once seizing their guns and made them hand over their money and valuables. Talk about the indignity of it all. Turn about is fair play.

No I truly am not worried about criminals, or hunting for a sport or recreation. I didn’t learn to shoot for those reasons.

I am worried about my Constitutional duty to defend my personal liberties and freedoms and the personal liberties and freedoms of other Constitutional loving Americans. I learned how to shoot and operate a wide range of firearms for that one reason. In case as this nation’s forefathers warned the tree of Liberty would need to be watered from time to time with the blood of despots, tyrants and Patriots. I learned to shoot and operate a firearm because I think every good American should be prepared if called to arms to protect our domestic liberty against a corrupt and tyrannical regime be prepared to confront them through armed violence just the way our forefathers confronted the tyrants that oppressed them. I truly believe every true American who actually values the sacrifice of not only our forefathers but every American soldier that has ever risked or laid down his or her life for what this country stands for should always, and forever remain cognizant of and vigil for the day when in turn they and I might have to risk or lay down my or their lives to make sure that none of those previous sacrifices were in vain.

I wrestle a lot more with the notion now in these troubled political times whether I should reconsider owning a gun. The truth is I have always slept better at night knowing so many average ordinary Americans do own guns and knowing they know how to use those guns and knowing that many of them think as I do that we each have a personal responsibility to protect our Constitutional way of life at all costs including that greatest sacrifice one can ever make of laying down one’s own life for liberty, family, friends and our cherished way of life.

Any baby step towards restricting guns is just that a baby step. One baby step leads to another, to another, to another.

We were granted the right to bear arms not to protect ourselves from criminal elements, not to protect our selves from wild animals, not to protect ourselves from hostile foreign invaders. The forefathers made it abundantly clear we were granted the right to bear arms to protect ourselves from our government if it every got out of hand.

Our government is truly out of hand.

I don’t need to make any justifications as to why I oppose any form of gun control or and form of gun restriction, or anything that even remotely starts down that treacherous slope of removing the one true protection our forefathers gave us the citizens to always ensure we would remain free.

It’s in the Constitution and I don’t really care who doesn’t think it ought to be in there or why, whether you call yourself an American or Englishman, or Russian, an Egyptian or Mexican and you think it’s wrong.

Our forefathers thought it was right, and our forefathers saw it as a necessity. If you have shown up a couple hundred years later and enjoyed what this nation has given you, it’s only because our forefathers knew it was right and a necessity. If you would like to be able to show up 200 years from now and enjoy the freedoms, privileges and opportunities America is legendary and prized for offering trust me it’s not going to be here anymore the day after American citizens have to give up their guns.

reply to post by argentus

Thank you, little yellow dancing chicken.

You've done a bit of research on this issue, rather than just trading rhetoric like the rest of us, myself included.

Much respect and appreciation.

Thanks to you and everyone else for contributing, I guess we all learned something new including me, now I will not have to worry of having our guns taken away.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
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All I can say is and? This treaty and article discussing it never mentioned any ban on legal fire arms and legal fire arm sales in the US. If you have a licence, if you legally own a gun, I dont see any issue with that, I dont see the Obama administration doing anything against that.

Under the new registration bills, people would have to go through a psychological test, and please do read what the DHS, and Janet Napolitano said could be "potential terrorists"...

Since many if not most of the gun owners in the U.S. support the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence, under such bill, and how the new administration sees us, these Americans will be viewed as "potential terrorists" because they want to uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence, plus we all own firearms...

This is nothing good at all, and you are mistaken in your claim thereis nothing bad about this..

For crying aloud the DHS report says it very clearly.... Wake the hell up..

[edit on 4-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

This is nothing good at all, and you are mistaken in your claim thereis nothing bad about this..

For crying aloud the DHS report says it very clearly.... Wake the hell up..

Show us where?

Originally posted by Animal

Show us where?

Show you?... It was all over newspapers and we had several threads about this... Are you now going to deny this?...

Man, fer cryin' out loud where should I begin?
You don't live in the U.S. and haven't seen the nice opppressed people shooting compliant shopkeepers handing over the goods and getting SHOT anyway, Have you?
Have you seen the vid's of younguns, (3-8) yo's being killed by drive by's?
Watched a couple last week and if I'm insensitive, I'm nothing.
As was said somewhat ineloquantly earlier, the bad will overtake the good if the good do nothing in allowance of the bad.
As for me, I can't stand anymore of the crap, I am ready to go.
And I hesitate to add, I'm not singular in my opinion.

Let's start showing evidence for this to those that apparenlty were nowhere on Earth to see the newspapers, and the online articles regarding this.

Here is a thread about the lawsuit which was made against Napolitano, and the DHS for claiming Americans who are conservatives, and or Republican, those who own and bear firearms, returning veterans, etc, also known in the DHS as "rightwing extremists"...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

BTW, according to the DHS report:

The Report specifically mentions the following political beliefs that law enforcement should use to determine whether someone is a “rightwing extremist”:

Opposes abortion
Opposes restrictions on firearms
Opposes lax immigration
Opposes the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship, and the expansion of social programs
Opposes continuation of free trade agreements
Opposes same-sex marriage
Has paranoia of foreign regimes
Fear of Communist regimes
Opposes one world government
Bemoans the decline of U.S. stature in the world.
Upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India
. . . and the list goes on

www.thomasmore.org...

Notice the part about those who "fear Communism"...

I guess most other Americans start loving Communism for a "change", i know that I for one, alongside many millions of others who have lived and experienced Communism, and are now Americans will not "love Communism", and I know, and hope many more Americans won't stand for the U.S. to become a Communist state, nor even a National Socialist one...

Don't you wonder why alongside the other people that the DHS, and under the new administration are seen as "possible terrorists", why they mention those who "fear Communism", and those who fear a "One World Government" as also being "possible terrorists?...

The awnser should be clear, more so with the Socialist programs being implemented, and which started with the passing into law the Federal Reserve Act by a Democrat President, Woodrow Wilson, who years later stated he had put the country into the path of destruction by signing this into law.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit.
We are no longer a government free of opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." U.S. President Woodrow Wilson 1919

[edit on 4-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Here is another thread, in which Judge Andrew Napolitano, no relation to Janet Napolitano as far as I know, talks about this new DHS document.

I started this other thread some time ago.

JUDGE ANDREW NAPOLITANO: Six Things You Should Know About the Homeland Security Report on 'Rightwing Extremism'




[edit on 4-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by andy1033
This is the only thing that obama is right about so far.

I am sure plnety of americans will disagree though, and i just wonder how they will get the guns if ever of you lot.

I don't imagine they will, at least not with *lots* of effort and expense, as well as casualties. Radically restricting firearms would mean outright rebellion in many parts of the country, as well as the old adage, "if guns are outlawed... only outlaws will have guns." Well, them and the rich, which is more and more the same thing.
I'm not a radical right-wing gun-freak (unless anarchism is right-wing), but I will defend my right to defend myself no matter what.

I've got it!
I've found the link!

Gun powder causes swine flu!

We're doooomed!!!

reply to post by mikerussellus
Now that the 12 year olds have hi-jacked the thread, now what?
Jack-ass reply