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posted on May, 4 2009 @ 12:18 AM
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I'm an Australian Citizen.

I was born and raised in Sydney, a major city in the state of New South Wales, which is on the east coast of the continent.

I'd like to share with you all this story.

In 1986 I started Kindergarten in a Public (state run) school.

I was 6 years old at the time.

One morning my class and the other Kindergarten classes were escorted into the main hall of the School for a 'presentation' executed by the local Police.

They gave the usual talk to us all about how the Police protected the community (blah, blah) and we duly sat and listened.

Now, this is where it got a little strange now that I think about it.

We were all then asked to stand up and form a line. One after another, we were brought to a table which had two Police Officers sitting at it. One had a folder and the other sat in front of a pile of papers.

We were asked our name, and when we told the Officer, he would mark it off the list. Next we were asked to roll our fingers onto an ink-pad and, yes you guessed it, we were all fingerprinted.

The cards with our names and fingerprints weren't given to us, mind you the 'nice' officers did show us our own fingerprints and say 'wow! isn't that neat?' or something re-assuring like that.

I'd like to know if anybody else has had this kind of mass-in-school fingerprinting experience at such a young age (or any age for that matter) and if possible, if anybody knows if this is Legal.

Thankyou.




posted on May, 4 2009 @ 12:33 AM
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Yep - I remember this, I'm in the UK, must of bee about 6 or 7, we were taken to the main Police station for a day trip, in the car park was a temporary office and we were fingerprinted in the same way you describe - that would of been something like 1987-88 ish.

I remember because about 6 months ago someone else on this site mentioned it - and what I though was some dream that stuck in my memory did actually happen - I checked with some old friends, they really ahd to dig deep into the memory but they also confirmed it.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 12:37 AM
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Our department used to fingerprint all the kids in our schools...

We also held workshops at fairs and other gatherings for parents to bring their kids in..

We also took photographs, palm prints and general descriptions..

This information is kept in a separate file, managed here, United States, by either the "School Resources Officer" or the "Missing Persons Division", to be used in cases of missing children and abductions..

It is a public service..

Semper



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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I remember the same thing happening in Mississippi (1986ish)! Now they don't do it for fun here any longer they make child identification cards just like drivers license finger prints and picture! And yes this is done at school and the only way u get to obtain the card is to pay 15$ to the police dept. I was under the impression if we didn't pay the 15$ there would be no finger printing or picture. Nope! They still finger printed my son and took his picture.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 02:14 AM
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Is it legal to do it without Parent's consent though?

I mean sure, it's good for finding missing children and all..... but still.


Also, do people's fingerprints change from say, the age of 6 up until they mature?

It just seems a slight invasion of privacy.

Apparently, under the Data Protection Act, schools in the United Kingdom can take kids' prints without Parental permission.

Scary...



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 02:25 AM
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I think the prints will change significantly as the person grows into adult hood - the dimensions mostly.

But I reckon that it would be easy for fingerprint experts to take a print from a 6 year old and take into account the changes that would happen - the overall patterns are going to be the same.

Not sure about the legality - if the police and the authorities are doing it then I'm gonna guess they would cover their backs - maybe some clever wording in permission slips or something like that.

Now a days the police simply crimilise kids with ASBO's and such to get their DNA and prints
OK maybe a little flippant, but plenty of kids are stuck on the DNA database for silly crimes - even if they are proved innocent



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 02:33 AM
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Right.


I just called the local Police Branch and asked them about this.

The woman sounded flabergasted, didn't respond for a good 10 seconds or so, and then said she (and I quote) "can't ever, EVER remember anything like this happening."


I told her that it DID indeed happen, and she told me that if the Police DID come to my school, they must have done it for the entertainment of the Students.



I asked her (with a fake tone of worry) if I could have my nephew fingerprinted electively, and she said that the Police won't do that either.

Hmmmmmm....



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 02:49 AM
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Maybe they stopped doing it before she started working there.

You did say you was 6 when it happened to you. So it is possible that things have changed a bit concerning fingerprint policy.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 03:10 AM
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For whats its worth I went through this just after the time you mentioned in elementary school.

I guess in Canada the rules were slightly different, cause our parents were given an information sheet and were told we we're being printed for if we went missing. But, they had to sign it and give it to us so we could bring it back into class.

My mom never signed mine, and I was never printed... Good thing my mom was at least a tiny paranoid bout the concept.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 03:13 AM
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Why is it a good thing?

Has something happened to your friends who did get fingerprinted?



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 04:59 AM
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I'm from Newie and I can tell you from experience(yes, I got in a lot of trouble as a juvenile
) it is against the law to finger print children under the age of 18 while being charged in Australia, well at least it was in the 80s and I'm assuming it still stands today.

You know, I keep having visions off standing at a long hand troth(the stainless steel ones) with other kids trying to get that mungral ink of my hands. when I first read your OP I figured it was when I was being charged(unpaid traffic fine turned to warrants) but I remember other children and that useless yellow soap,,, I can't believe I forgot that.
The thing that always stuck with me was the sneaky whey they would try to get us to dob our family in, that's when I stopped trusting the Police.

As far as at school I think it was just something for us to take home to show the folks, It's the electronic one that's got my hackles up, that's just plain wrong. Give it time it will be here....



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 05:13 AM
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Originally posted by jd140
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Why is it a good thing?

Has something happened to your friends who did get fingerprinted?



I would rather I wasn't cataloged in any form by any government actually. Unfortunately they already have my photo on my DL, but everything else like my DNA and prints I'd rather keep to myself.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 05:50 AM
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Our school cafeteria has always used a swipe card system, to make it "quicker and easier" to go to lunch, get what you want quickly etc... and they state that above all, the intention is to reduce the risk of our money going astray.

They have now taken this one up and are using biometrics as a way of identifying us. Now, thank God, I'm in my final year so it doesn't really bother me, but just before Christmas they made it MANDATORY for all pupils in the school (including 6th formers, the UK equivalent of sophomores or Freshman I think) to have their fingerprints scanned into a system. The company that does the scanning and database storage is not the same company that provides the food or any other school service, we're not told the name or what else they are holding on us. My IT teacher is quite the conspiracy theorist himself and we've both commented numerous times on how it must surely breach the data protection act in some way. I managed to slip out of the queue and avoid having my fingerprint scanned, but it does make me wonder, what are they going to do to "improve security" in the future? Retina Scan? I mean, why does a very popular, good-performing school need all this security?



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 06:59 AM
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I understand.

You don't have a rational reason why you don't want your prints on file. You just don't want them to have it.

You know your dental records are better for identification. You might want to get those x rays from your dentist.



posted on May, 5 2009 @ 11:39 PM
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In regards to Dental Records, I've been pretty lucky, in that I've never been X-Rayed in that region.

Right.

I just called the School and told them about my story.

The woman told me that there was only one instance of this EVER happening (so the cop lied to me, what a suprise) and this was a Fete that the school had, where the fingerprinting exercise was more of a 'stall' or 'attraction' that parents and children could participate in.

Funny.

I don't remember Mummy being there.



posted on May, 6 2009 @ 11:32 AM
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I remember the same thing happening to me in middle school.

I remember going on a class field trip with my schoolmates to the local police station during a career learning week. We got to walk around the police station, sit inside locked jail cells, talk to police officers, see where they did line ups and took pictures. I remember the cops showing us where they did finger printing and picked me as a volunteer. I was fingerprinted, asked my name and age, and they even took my height. I saw them do a few things on a computer and never thought anything of it.

I think it was last week when I was talking to my father that I remembered this story and told him about it. I wouldn't know if they kept it on file. Don't they have to get rid of those after 7 years? I'm Canadian if that helps?



posted on May, 6 2009 @ 05:04 PM
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I've been fingerprinted a couple times in my life, but they were mostly when I was really young so I don't remember much.

I do think it had something to do with ever going missing. Keeping track of your prints so they can identify you if you went missing and then were found elsewhere. (so police know who to contact and stuff). I think that was what it was about.

I just remember the person doing the fingerprinting would roll my finger on the paper really hard, squashing my finger.

Don't they do baby footprints too? I'm not sure what that's about though.



posted on May, 6 2009 @ 05:25 PM
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Happened in Alabama schools too. We had a little video "mug shot" taken and finger printed. If I remember we did have to have a signed permission slip. It was during a child safety week or something like that. The video and finger prints were taken incase we wound up missing. The video could be used in a computer program to show the effects of aging. I really don’t think it was anything dubious. A smart idea actually.



posted on May, 6 2009 @ 05:40 PM
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Yep, as an Australian who started kindy a few years before you did this was normal, also again in primary school and high school, there was nothing sinister about it really just public records, the police did not have a copy, however i distincly remeber being lost at the royal adelaide show and seeking out the police because i was lost(i was 6 maybe) and i remeber them taking my prints aswell and the robot motorcycle, still its not a bad thing in my book.



posted on May, 6 2009 @ 06:08 PM
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Yep, the same thing happened to us when i was in the 4th Grade in Canada. At the time they called it "The Thumb Buddy Program" and to make it cute they told us it was because we were all "Thumbody". When a friend of mine reminded me about this years later i was shocked that it even happened, I thought it must have been only something done in that province... but now to see it happened to all you guys as well scares me even more.


[edit on 6-5-2009 by jman1a]



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