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A major British UFO research organization consisting mainly of retired Police, Security and Military personnel, and its investigation of what may well be the most documentable case of the crash-retrieval of an unidentified flying disk to date: On the 7th of May, 1989, NORAD installations allegedly tracked an unidentified object as it entered African air-space. The South African Air Force is also said to have tracked the craft by radar, traveling at a calculated speed of 5746 nautical miles per hour. The incident was related by a South African Intelligence Worker, who along with documentation of his military position, also sent documents and transcripts to two QUEST INTERNATIONAL investigators, Tony Dodd and Henry Azadehdel, telling of the event. Also, several RECORDED telephone conversations with high-ranking military and government officials were obtained which strongly suggest that "something" did in fact happen over South African terrain. Some of these recorded conversations involved military officials in South Africa who strongly reprimanding the intelligence worker-turned-informer over the phone. This was due to the fact that the informer had left South Africa for Britain, where he stayed at the house of the researchers, and then later went into hiding.
"...The object entered South African air space at 13.52 GMT. Radio contact was attempted with object, but all communications proved futile. As a result two armed Mirage fighters were scrambled. A short time later the object suddenly changed course at great speed which would have been impossible for conventional aircraft to duplicate.
"At 13.59 GMT, Squadron Leader ----- the pilot of the fighter reported that hey had radar and visual confirmation of the object. The order was given to arm and fire the experimental aircraft-mounted Thor 2 laser cannon. This was done.
"Squadron leader ----- reported that several blinding flashes emitted from the object which had started wavering whilst heading in a northerly direction. At 14.02 is was reported that the object was decreasing altitude at a rate of 3000 feet per minute. Then at speed it dived at an angle of 25 degrees and impacted in desert terrain 80 miles north of the South African border with Botswana, identified as the central Kalahari desert. Squadron leader ----- was instructed to circle the area until a retrieval team arrived. A team of Air Force Intelligence Officers, together with medical and technical staff were promptly taken to the area of impact for Investigation and retrieval.
The Intelligence Officer who contacted QUEST INTERNATIONAL and provided them with the information, claims he did so out of concern for the security of the human race as a whole, and although he was pressured into signing a 'National Secrecy Act' form he believes that he would be guilty of treason against the human race if he did not disclose what he knew, and what the governments were trying to hide.
We also looked at putative government agents who appear to be involved, including Richard Doty and several who go by the names 'Falcon' and "Condor." We examined several UFO crashes that the government appears to have been involved in, including those in Roswell, New Mexico; Kecksburg, Pennsylvania; and the Kalahari Desert in South Africa.
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Lephalale - Mystery still surrounds the UFO that reportedly crashed somewhere in the Lephalale (Ellisras) region on Monday.
On Tuesday, it was reported that Leonie Ras, the administrative manager of Lephalale saw a strange object fall to the ground at about 04:33 on her daughter's farm east of the town.
She was lying in bed checking her SMS messages when she heard a noise "like an Airbus aircraft firing up its motors".
There was no thunder or lightning and the noise grew louder, eventually sounding like a million turbines screaming in unison, said Ras.
She walked to the bedroom window and saw the clouds taking on a bright orange-red colour.
She described the object as a bright object that "plunged from the clouds to the earth, at a terrible speed, and hit the ground with an almighty bang."
It looked like Haley's comet, "round in the front and with an orange-red tail following behind".
On Wednesday, the Lephalale police station reportedly received numerous enquiries following the incident.
But the area was vast and there was no way of knowing where to start looking, said Superintendent Wessel Geldenhuys.
He added that the object could have fallen in Botswana, which is situated about 45km away.
Geldenhuys said that Ras's neighbour had also seen the UFO, but that so far, no one else had seen the object or had any idea where it was.
"We have had many queries, but no answers," he said.
Cynthia Hind of Zimbabwe, a world famous UFO researcher and author of a book on UFO's in Southern Africa subsequently wrote an article that was published in the 'UFO Times'. It was titled; "Anatomy of a hoax. The UFO crash on the South African/Botswana border". This article exposes one, James Van Greunen, as the originator of an extremely elaborate hoax. She points out inconsistencies and discrepancies in the alleged documents as proof. Amongst these are 14 spelling mistakes in what claimed to be an official document. When Van Greunen was confronted he admitted he had faked some details but still insisted it was a true story about a downed object on the border repeated to him in confidence by a friend of his, Hendrik Greef, a pilot in the S.A.A.F, who had overheard it at an officers mess.
Johannesburg - The search for an unidentified object, which crashed into the sea at Port Shepstone on Saturday, will resume at the weekend as there were no bodies to search for, the National Sea Rescue Institute said on Tuesday.
"It is unlikely that we will go out to search before the weekend. The NSRI's core business is rescuing people and here there is no loss of life involved," said NSRI Shelley Beach Station Commander Eddie Noyons.
The search for the unidentified object began on Saturday after witnesses reported that an object, possibly an aircraft, had crashed into the sea behind the breaker line off-shore of the Port Shepstone High School.
Police, rescue craft and a fixed wing aircraft were alerted to the scene to investigate.
"Following a full-scale search of the area covering 12 square nautical miles nothing had been found.
"There are no reports of activity in the area that may be related to this incident and there are no aircraft reported to be overdue or missing," said Noyons.
Ripple effect on waves
He said numerous witnesses - including teachers and pupils attending a sports event at the high school, and other bystanders including local fishermen - were convinced they had seen an aircraft go into the water, including seeing smoke and a water plume.
Interviews with the witnesses revealed that some also reported seeing flames.
"Some reported seeing something, an unidentified object, splash into the sea causing a ripple effect of waves," Noyons said.
Due to the number of witnesses with similar reports, it was presumed that weather activity in the area at the time might have given the impression of something falling into the sea.
Noyons said rescue workers were unable to find oil slicks, petrol spillage or any signs or wreckage during the search on Saturday.
"We are not sure what it was as we are still unaware of any missing aircraft, but will continue the search at the weekend. Its probably a small meteorite or something. The weekend will be a nice time for diving," said Noyons.
Originally posted by jkrog08
I agree, it can be interpreted different.Although I think it warrants further investigation.
Waht documents were you talking about? The MJ12 or the documents related to the Kalahari crash?
an astonishingly energetic and resourceful scoundrel who has been denounced as a forger, con man and bigamist, and apparently is also a transsexual…..
"Some readers recall the Kalahari Incident of 1989, when an alleged UFO crash took place in the Kalahari desert, Botswana. The source, a certain James van Greunen, was soon in the crossfire and it turned out that there were fakes and false claims by this person, so that most UFO researchers came to the conclusion that the whole case had to be a fabrication by this man. Of course, this seems to be a strong possibility.
"But I strongly recommend a close look at the thorough investigative efforts of researcher Anthony Dodd from England regarding the Kalahari Incident (ref. Quest UFO magazine, Vol. 12 No. 2, 1993, article on the Kalahari crash by Graham Birdsall). When asked why other researchers often call that incident a hoax, Dodd replied: 'Because they do not know anything.' His extensive investigation showed that, at least, something very unusual had happened in South Africa in 1989. High-ranking persons out of the SA intelligence community confirmed the event. This is not the place to retell the Kalahari story -- however, the investigation shows that van Greunen obviously received information on an authentic occurrence.
"Of course, this in no way proves that van Greunen is or was in military or intelligence service. As it seems, he got the information from friends. To make things even more complicated, James van Greunen has received a new identity by changing his sex. I do not want to defend van Greunen in any way. But personally I think the discussion at the moment focuses a bit too much on the person van Greunen. Of course, for us -- Mr. Stein, Mr. Kopp and myself -- it was also quite easy to find contradictions and lies in van Greunen's accounts that made us very skeptical. However, the question is: Could this really affect the whole case? Is it proof that the whole thing is a hoax? Not necessarily.
"We have confirmed statements by independent witnesses that van Greunen repeatedly had contact with the German secret service. Maybe she tried to lie to them, too. But what was or is her intention? Money? Maybe. However, would you try to sell faked documents to a foreign secret service with not the least substance contained in them? The term 'disinformation' means more than intentionally lying, e.g. for personal profit. The implication is: covering up real information. Why were we warned by another German agency that interest in a matter like the one discussed here could be rather dangerous? All these aspects and possibilities are in our mind now.
"It would be pure speculation to state that the bunch of documents provided by van Greunen are authentic, pure speculation to state that the story is true and that an extraterrestrial vehicle crashed in Lesotho two years ago. We really cannot exclude that this incident is based upon van Greunen's fabrication. However, it is also speculation that nothing did happen there. And we cannot simply stay quiet, put the material we have in a drawer and wait for a moment years later when some people find some substance to the incident, want to do research and find that any traces have been wiped out in the meantime. So let's carry out a thorough investigation and find out.
The US Air Force airborne laser, (ABL), designated YAL-1A, is a high-energy laser weapon system for the destruction of tactical theatre ballistic missiles, which is carried on a modified Boeing 747-400F freighter aircraft.
The ABL is being developed by the Air Force Research Laboratory and Team ABL, comprising Boeing, TRW (now Northrop Grumman Space Technologies) and Lockheed Martin.
"YAL-1A, is a high-energy laser weapon system for the destruction of tactical theatre ballistic missiles."
It seems that what we have surrounding this case is a series of either
A. Unfortunate events pertaining to an individual who tried to make a profit out of a real incident, thus tainting everything pertaining to said incident.
B. A full scale disinformation campaign to discredit and destroy witness credibility.
C. A total hoax created by an individual trying to make a profit out of the Ufology field.
The addition to the account of 'THOR 2' laser cannons is a glaring over-elaboration of the account IMO. Why would a country under international boycott be in the position to test technology that wouldn't be realized for another decade? I almost posted the same (ABL YAL 1A Airborne Laser, USA) link to emphasize the paradox.
Would the US be testing 'laser cannons' on SA, French-built aircraft a decade before awarding the contract to a US aviation company? If so, the UFO 'kill' would negate any further testing and make the Boeing, TRW (now Northrop Grumman Space Technologies) and Lockheed Martin contract redundant.
As far as the S. African Airforce having this technology; they didn't, it was loaned to them by the US in exchange for them turning over any alien craft shot down by the weapons system.