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Israel military drills in preparation to attack Iran

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posted on May, 3 2009 @ 04:32 PM
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Israel military drills in preparation to attack Iran


www.zeenews.com

While the United States is talking about dialogue with Iran, the Israel military has conducted secret drills in a move being interpreted as preparations to foil Tehran's nuclear ambition at any cost, media reports said on Sunday.

The Air Force has staged secret manoeuvres between Israel and the British colony of Gibraltar near southern Spain, local media reported quoting French Newspaper 'L'express.

The drills held 3,800 kilometres away from Israel "confirms that the Israel Defence Forces...
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posted on May, 3 2009 @ 04:32 PM
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It looks we're getting closer. I wonder what surprises Iran has for these folks. Those Iranians are pretty clever.

Unfortunately, if those Iranians didn't read any John Titor, then they could end up nuked. If they did, then that would spice it up a bit!

I don't know if Israel stands a chance against a Middle East that knows what they're planning. Israel would be toast!

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posted on May, 3 2009 @ 04:35 PM
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The Air Force has staged secret manoeuvres between Israel and the British colony of Gibraltar near southern Spain, local media reported quoting French Newspaper 'L'express.


How do they know about the secret drills?

More propaganda to feed the machine I guess. Mind you Israel does want to make Iran into a giant glass crater, they wont' do it without the US' seal of approval.

~Keeper



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 04:43 PM
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Very alarming news we get from region, and next week will be greatest AIPAC Festivals in Washington ever... Peres shaking hands with another Zionist in White House at tuesday. Do Iran has their invitation to their party - no, Reuters knows to say that they are Ignoring all invitations!

Iran Readies For Battle At Nuclear Arms Ban Talks
www.abovetopsecret.com...


UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Iran has attacked the United States ahead of a major meeting on the troubled global anti-nuclear arms treaty, slamming U.S. cooperation with Israel and India while ignoring President Barack Obama's offers of dialogue.

www.reuters.com...



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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There was a reason that Netanyahu was elected, and that is his hard line on Iran, the Israeli people and government have spoken.

They have obviously chosen war over dialog, so it is only a matter of time.

If the Obama administration thinks this new Israeli regime will wait for dialog they would be complete fools.

It was the choice of a democratic nation and people, the world does not have to like it, but they must respect it.

It is their right to defend their nation against threats in any way they choose.

That said, I believe it is time for the US to withdraw from it's sworn stance to defend Israel. Israel is capable of defending itself. Having the US military as a backup for the Israelis has only emboldened them and is likely the reason for provocation.

It's not our fight, we should stay out of it unless both sides end the threats and seek dialog over war, that is when the US could step in and offer to mediate the dialog between Iran and Israel.

Sadly, it is likely far too late for that now.

[edit on 3-5-2009 by Walkswithfish]



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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reply to post by MegaCurious
 

Mega, any suggestion that Israel would be toast is about as time-worn, and has been conclusively proven to be an erroneous concept since 1948.

The ground was to be saturated with Israeli blood in 1948, and sufficient forces were gathered to guarantee that saturation.

Didn't happen.

Same thing in 1956, 1967, and 1973.

Vastly outnumbered in every single category, and each time fighting with inferior equipment, they should have been wiped out. The numbers said so.

Something else must be at work here. Even against Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hizballah, and the others who wish Israel destroyed.

So don't get your hopes up.

Not going to happen, regardless of numbers, size, or relative strength.

They're home now, and looks like they are there to stay.



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 08:56 PM
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If Israel attacks Iran I won't be the least bit surprised.


Big contribution to the convo, I know haha



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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Well there's two recent high rank people who said an Iran war is near.

First the King of Jordan said that Israel would face total war within 18 months if the Palestinian issue was not solved.

Then there's a high ranking Israeli intelligence officer that I don't remember the name said a timeline was needed for Iran to stop enriching uranium or they would strike... the timeline gave around end of july as a deadline.

Most wars happen in the summer. In 08, we had Georgia-Russia, in 06, we had Hezbollah-Israel, in 07 we had Israel strike Syria in september, this year we may have Israel-Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Hamas for the final showdown or even NATO entering Pakistan or worst case... both.



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 09:25 PM
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Israel conducted these EXACT same drills two years ago - it is all huff - they would be wiped off the map if they attacked Iran.



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by audas
Israel conducted these EXACT same drills two years ago - it is all huff - they would be wiped off the map if they attacked Iran.


I wonder how many other Middle Eastern countries said the same thing and got their asses handed to them by Israel?



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 09:43 PM
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Vastly outnumbered in every single category, and each time fighting with inferior equipment, they should have been wiped out. The numbers said so.

Something else must be at work here. Even against Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hizballah, and the others who wish Israel destroyed.


I outnumbered mabey, but fighting with inferior equipment, No way. Israel is packing some of the most advanced heat on earth. There is something else at work as well but I don't think it is the almighty hand of god, I think it is the co-opted support of the pagan hand of the west.



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 10:10 PM
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First and foremost I think it's important to understand that while the Israeli Regime can keep justifying in any way shape or form beating the war drums against Iran...

It doesn't leave them anytime to smoke the peace pipe with Palestinians.

In large part that is what this is about.

The Palestinian question has remained a question for 63 years now!

That is a very long time to forestall a comprehensive diplomatic conclusion to tensions between people and nations.

The reality is no Arab or Muslim Nation has tried to attack Israel since the 1970's. Israel has not been attacked outright by an aggressor nation in 37 years.

Yet Israel is in many ways a crack addict to American Arms, and American Money, and American Intelligence, who justifies the need for these things on being threatened.

The only people waging any kind of open and direct violent hostilities are Palestinians and independent non governmental orginizations like Hezbollah who are doing so in part on the Palestinians behalf and in part because of Israel holding on to a captured buffer zone inside of Lebanon from a war of agression Israel not the Arabs or Muslims started.

Simply put from the economic standpoint of we the Israeli Nation makes big money in U.S., E.U. and private donations from people around the world, based on a perception they instill that they are vulnerable and threatened they can't afford to make peace with the Palestinians who 63 years after Zionists stole their lands to create Israel and herded them into cramped, rightless, seperated enclaves are the only ones attacking Israel, and Columbo or Dick Tracy in fact could track those few dissparate elements down more quickly and cost effectively than the lets bomb everything in sight from a distance IDF.

Keeping what is in reality nothing but a publicity war going with Iran keeps a large part of the pressure off of Israel to make that peace with the Palestinians and exposing Israel beyond any twisting of propoganda as not being a victim and threatened nation, but an agressor and a predatory one.

Russia has Russian citizens stationed at those Nuclear facilities, and if you want to find out what Russia does when a Russian citizen is killed by an agressor nation or party, go ask the warring factions of Lebanon what happened to the group that kidnapped the one and only Russian citizen to ever be kidnapped during Lebanon's long civil war. The next morning the factions leader awoke to find his mother, wife, and children hacked to pieces and placed in clear see through plastic trash bags on his front porch with a note explaining his fate would not be nearly so kind if the Russian was not released within 24 hours. That Russian was released and not one other Russian was touched in Beirut afterwards.

Isreal knows what Russia will do if they go after Iran and their bombing kills a Russian civilian scientist working at those facilities.

This is a war of rhetoric to keep the Israelis from having to sit down at the peace table with the Palestinians.



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by Walkswithfish
There was a reason that Netanyahu was elected, and that is his hard line on Iran, the Israeli people and government have spoken.

They have obviously chosen war over dialog, so it is only a matter of time.


Hmmm.... Last I checked, Arial Sharon was also a member of the Lukid Party, just like Netanyahu. Wasn't it Sharon who pulled out of Gaza, forcing Israeli settlers to leave at gun point in some cases?

I believe that Sharon had similar plans for the West Bank until he had a stroke. Its too bad, we might already have a two state solution is Sharon didn't get hospitalized.

It was also the more liberal Labor Party that was in power when the latest Gaza offensive occurred in the beginning of the year.

The old saying, "it took Nixon to open China" might be apropos here. Perhaps it is the more conservative politicians who can finally bring peace to that region.

[edit on 3-5-2009 by finemanm]



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Simply put from the economic standpoint of we the Israeli Nation makes big money in U.S., E.U. and private donations from people around the world, based on a perception they instill that they are vulnerable and threatened they can't afford to make peace with the Palestinians who 63 years after Zionists stole their lands to create Israel and herded them into cramped, rightless, seperated enclaves are the only ones attacking Israel, and Columbo or Dick Tracy in fact could track those few dissparate elements down more quickly and cost effectively than the lets bomb everything in sight from a distance IDF.


The bolded text shows exactly how misguided you are. In 1948, the palestinians were given the opertunity to have a state of their own, but they refused. Then all of Israel's neighbors attacted, and the palestinians fled. They weren't herded into anything, they left expecting the Arabs to destroy Israel.

And nothing was stole from anyone. The land belonged to UK. UK and the UN created Israel. Get your facts strait before you state propaganda and opinion as fact.



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by finemanm

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Simply put from the economic standpoint of we the Israeli Nation makes big money in U.S., E.U. and private donations from people around the world, based on a perception they instill that they are vulnerable and threatened they can't afford to make peace with the Palestinians who 63 years after Zionists stole their lands to create Israel and herded them into cramped, rightless, seperated enclaves are the only ones attacking Israel, and Columbo or Dick Tracy in fact could track those few dissparate elements down more quickly and cost effectively than the lets bomb everything in sight from a distance IDF.


The bolded text shows exactly how misguided you are. In 1948, the palestinians were given the opertunity to have a state of their own, but they refused. Then all of Israel's neighbors attacted, and the palestinians fled. They weren't herded into anything, they left expecting the Arabs to destroy Israel.

And nothing was stole from anyone. The land belonged to UK. UK and the UN created Israel. Get your facts strait before you state propaganda and opinion as fact.


I am sorry my friend, I actually know the history of the region going back 6,000 years and have no interest in getting into a fruitless dialouge with Israeli and Zionists appoligists.

Your assertions are based on long discredited propoganda put forth by the Zionists to legitimize their brazen land grabs, and the Arab Nations only attacked as a response to that land grab and the abdication of the lawful British Mandate of Palestine after Zionist terrorism against the British in the Mandate became to costly in dollars and lives for the English citizens to favor.

Your argument is a falicy as no attempt has ever been made to repriate Palestinians to siezed lands, or to compensate Palestinians for siezed lands.

Furthermore the Zionists employed a well documented strategy during the Mandate of stategically buying swaths of land from corrupt Brittish officials that would prevent the Palistinians from ever being able to have a contiquous 52% of the plan as promised to them by the United Nations and the Brittish Mandate not the then stateless Zionists who rather than be grateful Palestine was making some serious attempts to accomodate their immigration onto their lands paid them back by lobbying to change land ownership laws and buying strategic swaths of lands to block their traditional herding routes.

Most Palestinian lands had been for centuries cooperatively owned between neighboring villages whose elders would meet at the beginning of every planting season with one another to determine how much land each village needed to plant to grow the needed number of crops to sustain the village.

Zionists used Brittish malfeasance to economically starve and destroy the economic way of life for Palistinians and forbade any Jew from hiring Palistinians as part of this process. Many Jewish merchants and farmers were killed by the Irgun, Stern Gang and other Zionists terrorist groups for defying these rules.

Additionally former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir as head of the Stern Gang assisinated Special U.N. Envoy Count Folke Bernadotte and his aide de camp from Switzerland to ensure no negotiated settlement could peacefully take place.

When one considers a small but sizable number of Jews never went into Diaspora and lived side by side from the second century on with Arab Palistinians in peace as friends history clearly demonstrates it was no mere distaste of Jews that rankled Palistinians but the Zionist agenda to steal all their land and deny them any form of independent government.

Your 62 year old argument holds no credence with anyone well read and informed, so I would contend to you that you are either ignorant of these very real events and things, or simply seek to cover them up in your very thin manufactured completely fabricated version of history and events that Public Documents, History Books, and First Hand Accounts simply do not bear out.

As Batman would say to the Joker the gig is up, and your response was truly a joke!



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by dooper
Vastly outnumbered in every single category, and each time fighting with inferior equipment, they should have been wiped out. The numbers said so.

Numbers dont matter much, or else the Russian army would have absolutely annihilated the Germans on the Eastern Front!! Thats about as great an example as it gets. The Israelis were for sure outnumbered but not by as much as you think.
They have total conscription in that everyone 18 has to be in service, girls 2 years boys 3, so they have a massive army to call up when needed.
The Israeli army is the most advanced and one of the most funded in the world. They have a worldwide spy intelligence network, lots of satellites, long range missiles, the 2nd largest fleet of F-16's to the US...
Their Merkava tanks are probably at par with your Abrams tanks. They use the best 5.56 rifle in the world... using the same round as the M4, HK416, C7, G36, etc etc their Tavor still tests favourably to them! Their Uzi is tried and true. Their Negev machine guns are better than FN M249s, Im told. The Israeli arms are the best in the world, on par or better than Germany's or even Belgium's! Lets not forget body armour. How many typical Arab soldiers get issued kevlar?!

Or if you're talking about earlier conflicts
In 1948 the Israelis got a ton of leftover British and German wares, the Arabs got French and whatever they could find. For small arms the Arabs used Enfields and Israelis got Kar98's, least as far as I remember. They were pretty damn even. I dunno what aircraft the Arabs used but I remember the Israelis had American Mustangs, which were the finest in WW2.

In later wars they just bombed Egyptian and others aircraft while on the ground, and then bombed defenseless tanks who had no air cover. So at that point the Arabs were outnumbered. Superior tactic by the Israelis though



Same thing in 1956, 1967, and 1973.

Americans thought they were invincible and Godlike after annihilating Germany in WWI, destroying the Nazis in WWII, kicking North Korea around in 1950... and in Vietnam they used superior rifles, aircraft, vehicles, intelligence, communications, and weapons like napalm, yet they were defeated by panji sticks, guerilla warfare, and faster MiGs.

So to sum up I agree if Israel is attacked, they will no doubt win courageously, but if they invade say Iran, they will be wiped out. They had to end the 6-day war because they lost so many aircraft...



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Russia has Russian citizens stationed at those Nuclear facilities, and if you want to find out what Russia does when a Russian citizen is killed by an agressor nation or party, go ask the warring factions of Lebanon what happened to the group that kidnapped the one and only Russian citizen to ever be kidnapped during Lebanon's long civil war. The next morning the factions leader awoke to find his mother, wife, and children hacked to pieces and placed in clear see through plastic trash bags on his front porch with a note explaining his fate would not be nearly so kind if the Russian was not released within 24 hours. That Russian was released and not one other Russian was touched in Beirut afterwards.


And what did Russia do when four of their embassy staff was killed by terrorists in Baghdad back in 2006? What did the Russians do to the Georgians last summer? The Russia of that era is no longer the Russia of today. You're still stuck in the past. Russia isn't going to do # if Iran is attacked. Their AirForce is a complete joke. The only thing Russia has is nuclear weapons. Russia's military is obsolete.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 04:20 AM
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Americans thought they were invincible and Godlike after annihilating Germany in WWI, destroying the Nazis in WWII, kicking North Korea around in 1950... and in Vietnam they used superior rifles, aircraft, vehicles, intelligence, communications, and weapons like napalm, yet they were defeated by panji sticks, guerilla warfare, and faster MiGs.


The Vietnam War was pretty much an unparalleled military success for Americans at the time.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 04:33 AM
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Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by audas
Israel conducted these EXACT same drills two years ago - it is all huff - they would be wiped off the map if they attacked Iran.


I wonder how many other Middle Eastern countries said the same thing and got their asses handed to them by Israel?


LEts not forget that Israel comprehensively lost the last two wars - Palestine was a war of conscience to stop the rockets from Palestine - lost.
Lebanon - stop hezbollah - lost.

Good luck to them actually going up against a recognized state -



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 04:55 AM
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Zosynspiracy
And what did Russia do when four of their embassy staff was killed by terrorists in Baghdad back in 2006? What did the Russians do to the Georgians last summer? The Russia of that era is no longer the Russia of today. You're still stuck in the past. Russia isn't going to do # if Iran is attacked. Their AirForce is a complete joke. The only thing Russia has is nuclear weapons. Russia's military is obsolete.


Not only did Russia outsmart President Saakashvili, it completely humiliated Nato and that's a fact.



Georgia’s attempt to seize control of the secessionist South Ossetia region has been a gamble too far, reckless in its timing and founded on a fundamental misjudgment.

President Saakashvili of Georgia thought that he had the West on his side but he has been outsmarted by Vladimir Putin, the Russian Prime Minister, who now holds all the cards.

Although Mr Saakashvili has had American military personnel training his army to serve in Iraq, there was never any question of Washington taking on the Russians on his behalf.

The military adventure had all the hallmarks of rushed planning and a fingers-crossed strategy, launched in the hope and expectation that the Russians would not react, but that if they did, the Americans and Georgia’s other Nato friends would come to his aid in one form or another.


www.timesonline.co.uk...



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