Dead in the Water : The Sinking of the USS Liberty, page 1/
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reply posted on 4-5-2009 @ 01:15 AM by Kailassa
reply to post by msnevil


There is not an iota of evidence anywhere that the information gathered by the USS Liberty was for sale to anyone.

However there is evidence that Israelis were killing POWs and women and children and did not want anyone to detect that fact.
The mass graves have since been found.


reply posted on 4-5-2009 @ 04:22 AM by Britguy
The Liberty incident will continue to be ignored until every last survivor is dead and buried, then it'll just go away.
I believe it twice that the nearest carrier to the liberty launched aircraft to assist and both times the aircraft were recalled on presidential orders.
So, if back then the US leadership was willing to stand by, and even participate in, by doing nothing, the murder of it's citizens, then why should we believe that the events of 9/11 were not another mass murder to usher in more war?

Mass publicity of the Liberty incident, of which many Americans seem to be blissfully unaware, would surely lead to the outrage that such an incident deserves. Not just the incident itself but the continued cover-up by subsequent administrations. Full disclosure to the American people might be the catalyst for more probing of the US government's relationship, both then and, more importantly, right now and could lead to mass demands for severing those ties and stopping the flow of taxpayers money to Israel.

Edit to add.... This is no conspiracy theory either, the evidence is there and so are the surviving witnesses and crew. This is not something the US or Israeli government can easily brush under the carpet and needs to get mass public airing. Not the government sanitised version that it was "an accident" but the full blown version from the survivors. They have a story to tell and just need the platform on which to tell it so it get's national coverage.

[edit on 4-5-2009 by Britguy]


reply posted on 4-5-2009 @ 04:38 AM by Britguy
reply to post by Zosynspiracy



What we are taught in schools, or college even, presented as "fact" deserves scrutiny. So much is omitted and what we are left with altered and / or changed to make it more palatable. The truth can be buried at the whim of a government and changed so that following generations grow up with a skewed vision of reality. So much so that when people try to tell them the truth they find it hard to accept. After all, our own governments wouldn't lie to us.....would they?
Re-examining everything you are taught as "history" can be a real rollercoaster of discovery and it should also make you angry enough to never trust another word you are told by those in power. No wonder they all want what we can access over the internet censored.


Knowledge is power!


reply posted on 4-5-2009 @ 05:00 AM by dragonridr
reply to post by Seany



You got the story all wrong there was no attempt to get into life boats the ship sailed into harbor under its own steam. There was no us aircraft carriers in the area either the 6th fleet was still on its way arrived the next day to help liberty limp into port total injuries were 27 death the whole and 33 injuries. The planes were observers and not attack air craft had no offensive capabilities. Finally the damage was caused by 3 torpedo boats firing 5 torpedos one of which managed to contact the ship.

The captain admits in his log that his gunner fired on the patrol boats even before the torpedo was launched. The incident its self is friendly fire. The only thing is how isreal made the mistake in the first place it was stated that the liberty was taken off the tactical board because they lost its position then a ship popped up and they thought it was hostile. Can happen that why they call it friendly fire. The only conspiracy is whoever pulled the ship off the board needed to be tried and this was never discovered.

There was also mistakes made by the US they didnt realize how close this ship got to egypt and the order was given to leave the area but it was too late. And there is no way this ship could tell if they were killing people and putting them in mass graves.The ship monitored radio frequencies hoping to ease drop on Egyptian pilots. Israeli communications were all ready being monitored from Israel without the ship we had listening posts in isreal.


reply posted on 4-5-2009 @ 05:14 AM by Zosynspiracy
Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to
post by Seany



You got the story all wrong there was no attempt to get into life boats the ship sailed into harbor under its own steam. There was no us aircraft carriers in the area either the 6th fleet was still on its way arrived the next day to help liberty limp into port total injuries were 27 death the whole and 33 injuries. The planes were observers and not attack air craft had no offensive capabilities. Finally the damage was caused by 3 torpedo boats firing 5 torpedos one of which managed to contact the ship.

The captain admits in his log that his gunner fired on the patrol boats even before the torpedo was launched. The incident its self is friendly fire. The only thing is how isreal made the mistake in the first place it was stated that the liberty was taken off the tactical board because they lost its position then a ship popped up and they thought it was hostile. Can happen that why they call it friendly fire. The only conspiracy is whoever pulled the ship off the board needed to be tried and this was never discovered.

There was also mistakes made by the US they didnt realize how close this ship got to egypt and the order was given to leave the area but it was too late. And there is no way this ship could tell if they were killing people and putting them in mass graves.The ship monitored radio frequencies hoping to ease drop on Egyptian pilots. Israeli communications were all ready being monitored from Israel without the ship we had listening posts in isreal.


Friendly fire? Wow you're naive. If you do the research this incident is anything but friendly fire. If this type of friendly fire incident is so common tell me when was the last time such an incident has happened? Nothing you say is backed up by facts. Even wikipedia says the death toll and those injured is higher than what you stated so where do you get those facts from?


reply posted on 4-5-2009 @ 05:23 AM by Britguy
reply to post by dragonridr



Have a read of this:

www.globalresearch.ca...

There is plenty of other information out there too, from the survivors and those on the ground who saw the radio transcripts. They knew it was an American vessel and they wanted it sunk, no survivors, no witnesses, end of story. It was an act of premeditated murder that the American government was complicit in aiding and then attempting to cover up.


reply posted on 4-5-2009 @ 05:30 AM by Britguy
reply to post by Night Watchman



Murder is murder, full stop. I personally don't care whether Israelis are Christians, Muslims, Jews or worship the great fish god Teufel!
I judge people on their actions, not on their colour or belief systems, and Israel and, more specifically, it's leadership, need to be judged by the same standards that the rest of the world are judged by.

So, take the "anti-Israel" mantra elsewhere, it will not divert attention from this topic, which is discussing the Israeli murder of Americans.


reply posted on 4-5-2009 @ 05:42 AM by Britguy
reply to post by Night Watchman



It's not a conspiracy theory, the facts and witness testimonies are there to back this up. Are we to believe that the US sailors and other crew members of the Liberty, as well as other intel operatives on land, are all lying because they hate Israel?

Please add something relevent to the discussion of the topic, instead of trying to stifle debate with your childish remarks.
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