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Why are they tracking every American household by GPS?

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posted on May, 4 2009 @ 09:45 AM
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to the OP:

see what nenothtu wrote.

the govt is likely breaking the law by gathering this information because normally and LEGALLY as I said any census that is gathered and NOT allowed to be opened for 74 years in the US and 92 Years in the US.

So officially/legally the information collected can be accessed in 2083, you don't think that taking a quick peek at the gps information might give them a hand at calling in statistical officers to calculate any of numerous evil things they may want to do, ..including what someone stated foreign troops could have better access to post-translated information.




posted on May, 4 2009 @ 09:47 AM
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This is just stupid

You think some spook is watching a screen somewhere when all of
a sudden the house at 742 Evergreen Terrace decides to go for a walk.

Where do all these crazy stories come from. If such a thing was possible,
then it's obviously not working as the US has the highest crime rate per
. than any other country in the world.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 09:55 AM
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Remember when Obama got elected and there was a thing about Census being moved from the Commerce Dept. to the White House because they don't want Dem. or Rep. using or changing land areas to there advantage, well, I think it's a cover myself.

People are goo-goo over Obama and this could be used for many different reasons. Census people believe what they are doing is simply taking Census while others are storing and using it to there advantage W.H.

Best place to get away with something is right out in the open you know that.

Tracking devices on cars, cameras on road ways etc. they control you by telling you this is for your safety. They have prepareed for the time people get fed up and start to revolt. The sheeple just let it be why? they are to busy.... let somebody else do it.

If people don't start turning the tables and stand together well............................


Remember they just took all your hard earned money and lined many pockets.......them billion-trillions and you get how much in you check each week a couple bucks.............they laugh without a doubt how cheaply you can be pacified oops! bought for.

I also think this Flu will pass and it was only a trial run to make you panic and get the Flu shot in the Fall (that will probably eject a tracking device under you skin that they have tried to talk people into the last couple years.) If you can't do it one way do it another.

I don't trust them at all and I suggest observing the right hand when they are working with the left.

We need to go beyond Tea Party's BUT NOT WITH guns or the revolt they expect we need to work and help one another and not do there work.

Never happen



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 10:02 AM
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I really don't see what the paranoia is about.
They have been doing a Census since the days of ancient Rome.

I am in the process of moving into a new house nowhere near where I live now.

The other day I was outside and a census person was walking house to house. They came by my house (while I was outside) and were wearing blue Census Bureau smocks. So I knew right away why they were there. I told them, I am moving soon so whatever you are doing now will probably be futile. He said it would not have any bearing on the data he was collecting now. And he did not hand me anything. So he was not collecting any data on myself or my family. Just the structure of my house, which will not be my house soon.

I talked to a friend of mine who lives on a military base and they had Census people walking around there too. So how do people's conspiracy theories of fema camps or tracking fit into military people being including in on this? This is military owned property, and they are doing the same thing.

I just do not see the conspiracy in this. Will keep reading and see what develops I suppose.

[edit on 4-5-2009 by inked up]



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 10:09 AM
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They can't use it, the program basically is useless because it is often wrong. All of those coordinates do have to be programmed by hand.


The census was hiring here a few months back and this sounds like the same process they have used in prior sessions. Kind of pointless to send people out with a list if the addresses don't exist or are wrong! Not to mention they will have to electronically verify that a worker has visited each house to verify that the responses are correct.

Somehow I don;t see any government putting leg bands on millions of citizens, especially Canada. If you can't get people to open the door for the census how do you expect them to pull that off?



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 10:31 AM
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Honestly, for all anyone knows the GPS is for the census taker so he/she doesn't get lost in some suburbia maze.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 10:34 AM
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Given the reactions Ive seen on this forum, one of the main illegitimate uses I see for the census being done in the way it is, namely barely crossing the line as far as what is acceptable behavior in a governmental employee, but no more, is to help identify who the main future problems are going to be in the event of negation of the constitution, and tie those to a GPS location. Given the depth of the information gathering seems skewed towards non Obama voters, gun owners, etc, this further supports the idea of identifying real trouble makers in the eyes of the government from those who will do nothing.

So one of these census takers comes in, get a load of trouble, backs off, checks either the cooperative button, or the uncooperative button, and types in the gps location next to it. That info goes into a database to assist various intelligence agencies, and that is that for the short term. Long term is another issue that depends on what actually does happen.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 10:36 AM
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I haven't read the article or all the threads in this post.

I'm a temporary worker for the Census.

They are so tight with how we use our time - I thought the GPS thing was used to verify that we actually went the location. Evidentally a number of temporary employees in the past have made up numbers and didn't do what they were hired to do. They told us if we get caught forging the numbers we're fired instantly.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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Time to speculate with some seriousness...

The real reason the census workers are taking these GPS readings at the home of primarily of Patriots is because it is necessary to program an effective firing solution.

When the time comes; A vehicle with a Metal Storm unit mounted upon it will roll into the center of your town, and begin systematically targeting and bombarding those locations where known patriots (now 'militant terrorist') are known to reside.

Here is a picture of such a Metal Storm Unit - Each of the munitions can be individually targeted on a specific location:



*Of course, this would be a worst-case scenario.


[edit on 4-5-2009 by Exuberant1]



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by adrenochrome
aside from taking the annual census, why are we worried about them marking us down with GPS??
because people like the threadstarter are all about spreading paranoia through any means necessary



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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interesting. isn't it against the law to look IN your mailbox? no need for that. also if they are just checking coordinates he shouldn't have to know your name at this stage of the game. also, the cruiser in the driveway should have given him pause. sounds like this particular screener was going a bit freelance.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 12:51 PM
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"The workers were not told why they were GPS marking every front door. But a supervisor is sent out to follow them door-to-door, to make certain that no door is left unmarked. Every door will be marked by one employee, and then checked by a follow-up supervisor."

Just another lil tidbit note...

wasn't there a rumor that they would begin marking mailboxes/doors with a green or red sticker to know what list you are on???

by using GPS instead, that marker is now invisible except to them, no?

makes one wonder.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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I don't think this has anything to do with reducing crime. I don't know what it's for, that's why this thread. I know participation in the census itself is mandatory but a census itself just counts .s. They have added a bunch of other stuff to it over the years that has also become mandatory. Collecting GPS data, however, does not require participation. I assume that means they are not required to protect that information. However if they tie this public data to private information, then what do we have? that's the question? questionaires are mailed. the post office uses street addresses. they don't need gps to deliver mail.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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Welcome! You can help out this discussion. personally i don't think you (or other census workers) are doing anything wrong in doing your job. i just don't understand why the census bureau needs gps coordinates for the front door on each house. since mailed questionnaires will go by mail to street address and follow up visits will also go to street address, why do they need gps coordinates? Have they given you a reason? I know bosses often don't explain things, just say go do it. But i would love to hear their explanation. are you instructed to ask any personal questions about who is living in the house, how many people? anything personal or just gps? and did they mention why a supervisor supposedly goes by and verifies your gps data?

some of us are worried that they will link gps (public) data to personal data for people living in the house. we are then speculating on how this information might be used. some of the speculation is pretty wild of course, but it's just a discussion.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 01:19 PM
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this thing about marking, and many of the articles i've read describe it as painting the door. Is this an actual mark of some sort placed on the structure? My understanding of gps is that it's just long/lat coordinates but this sounds like it is a mark that can be read by someone else. so is it something that can be read by some other instrument?



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 01:21 PM
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I read up on this. Very interesting. Now logically speaking GPS coordinates are targets. They give a location. There is only one use for a location. Eventually whoever has this data may want to go there? Now recording the position of every doorstep in america? I doubt that someone will go to EVERY doorstep. But what if the locations were being stored to compare with other databases? Like who is a republican, or a member of ATS? That way they know where you are. As has been said earlier in this forum, this DOES strike me as something sinister. And a deadline of one year in advance makes me take notice to. That indicates to me it has to be done quickly? Why? What's going to happen in a year? This little post has some serious connotations. If you didn't believe in big brother before, you should now.

Flagged and starred.


[edit on 4-5-2009 by Mari4199]



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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Excellent post! I was just thinking that in genealogy research old census records are a huge resource. Now I get the time limit.

I like very much this theory about by passing the confidentiality law. I don't trust the government, any branch.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 01:36 PM
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a poster early in this thread also objected to the title of this thread because it sounded paranoid. I repeat my answer to you: i've only started a few threads and they generally get little to no attention so i thought i'd make the title a bit more sensational to generate some interest. content of this thread, however, is not particularly paranoid.

remember that if you think somebody is after you, but no one is, you would be described as paranoid. if they ARE after you, you aren't paranoid, you're simply in touch with reality. based on past experience, things go on for hidden reasons. information is collected, email is read, phone calls are taped, all sorts of things go on outside of public view that might be used to one's disadvantage. we all know that a huge amount of information exists about each of us, residing somewhere. i buy lots of books from amazon. based on that they can make very accurate guesses about what interests me. i don't think they mean me any harm. they are simply trying to sell me more products, but if they can do it, so can others. google stores information on every search anybody has ever made. and yes, they provide that information to the government if asked. i know of one person who runs a lab that started doing searches on a product that involved something exploding. don't remember the details but it was relevant to the lab's biomedical work. one day they got a call from the fbi asking why they were doing so many searches on exploding something or others. if you think google searching is private you are wrong.

i think it is worthwhile to ask questions about what's going on around me. I have learned a tremendous amount from the posts on this thread. i don't think taking gps data on each household is the end of the world but i think it's worth trying to figure out what its for, how it will be used. it's absolutely not necessary to counting .s when street addresses do the job.

i don't think it's paranoid. i think it's a question worth asking.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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I worked at the largest homeless shelter in the city in the last census and those people went everywhere looking for the homeless. They were out under bridges, down in the old subway where a little community of homeless live, and were generally a pain in the butt with their daily visits.

I am not comfortable with this at all. I did see them in front of my building but I am up on the third floor and he had the outfit so I assumed he was from one of the many city projects going on. No more assumptions from me.

If Gary McKinnon can hack into military computers and view classified information is there really anything safe? No! The less they can track the average person the better.

Sadly I am moving into subsidized housing so the government knows just about all they need to about me. Even how many cats I have. Oh well, gotta stretch that disability especially now that there is NO increase until 2012. Nice.

edit: AJ is talking about his channel being suspended, they kept threatening the guy who had the AJ channel which is not AJ's channel, his is infowarrior .

He is supposed to be covering the issue this thread is about in a few minutes! Should be very interesting, I love AJ even if I don't always agree with him.

[edit on 5/4/2009 by red.57]



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 02:36 PM
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A day late and a dollar short.

Maybe if all the people that are up in arms with this now had done something when it was "first " voted into action then maybe this would not be an issue.

But it is just too easy to blame and demonize President Obama.

You people gave away this country away years ago. You can't blame President Obama for the ruined husk of a shell that get got stuck with.

You gave the man a gutted piano and now you are p o-ed that nothing happens when he tries to play.

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