What if no one is in charge?

Just finished watching Cube for the first time, interesting quote by Worthe stuck out to me.

"There is no conspiracy. Nobody is in charge. It's a headless blunder operating under the illusion of a master plan."

Is it even sane to consider the possibility? Discuss.

well that is a true statement for me..

WHAT not WHO ... ; )

if aliens are real.. they are clueless if they made us, they are still clueless.. if god made us.. he is clueless


there is no answer to the question we want.. WE are the Answer


go look up at the sky .. that is your mind on show pretty ain't int




[edit on 3-5-2009 by symmetricAvenger]

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger



go look up at the sky .. that is your mind on show

pretty ain't int

[edit on 3-5-2009 by symmetricAvenger]

Haven't heard that one before.

The idea that a global cabal is in control of the Earth ignores one important point, IMHO. It would be composed of humans. Humans with egos huge enough to think they could control the entire planet. AND these people would have to CO-OPERATE with each other in the conspiracy? It's like combining fire and water, the results may not be what you hoped.

As Alan Moore said:

'The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless.'

-"The Mindscape of Alan Moore" (2003)

Originally posted by Osmoses
As Alan Moore said:

'The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless.'

-"The Mindscape of Alan Moore" (2003)

Even better than the first quote i posted!

Its kind of funny to think that the conspiracy is the conspiracy itself.

I will S & F this one for you as it brings a fresh perspective.

Now think about it. As we go thru life, gain more and more knowledge, we start to realize, that for the most part, we are in fact at ATS, some of the most intelegent people on the planet.
The fact that what the OP suggested scares the living crap out of most of us here, is a reflection of how mindless our Govts. would really be.

There must be someone smarter than us in charge? Right? It really can't be that ingnorant of people with all the power? Can it?
If this truely is the case, then why don't the smart people out dupe the not so smart out of their power?

That would be the angle upon which intelligence is based. Anyone, that can keep track of the people that they are trying to minipulate to gain power must be very intellegent. right? Well, do they know how to change a tire on a car? most likely not.

If only wealth begot power, would not Bill Gates and likes be running everthing? But they are not. Are the bankers well hidden, like the Rothschilds that non of them ever show up on the Forbes list. Now your getting somewhere.
The higher up the power chain, the less that is needed to minipulate the system. Would they sit there and watch everything 24-7? most likely not.

They can sit and let the corrupt think they are in control and just react to what ever is going in a wrong direction. They can afford to have stop gaps and people that look after their buisness.

Does it matter to them what type of Govt is in charge? Sort of. With most forms of Govt., they can have corruption with the officials because they want more and more power. If they run most of the real wealth in the world, control most of the money and credit, would they not be able to control just about anything?

A true dictator like Hitler would be a big problem for them though. But as long as they are funding and suppling both sides, then they are still in control of the game.

If everyone is a slave and living poor except for a few, what would be the fun in that?

What would happen, if someone took out these few that are in charge so to speak?

It is really hard to imagine that someone or a small group is not in charge.
But, if they are, I am sure it's not an ultimate power thing. They can make things happen to individuals that would effect the majority.

Someone stir the Soup, please.

Just because an idiot comic book writer (oh, you've insulted a god of society!) makes a statement (quote above) doesn't mean he knows anything; it means he's read a bit, and has an opinion.

When you all achieve greater Being-Presence Awareness of the entirety of the AllVerse (like a universe, but includes all potentiality & dimensionality), you will realize that there is Order out of Chaos due to the presence of Presence, which is inherently Intelligent, developing order & form, which takes the name of Duality/Polarity (two dif aspects).

Of course, that might be hard to follow for concretized materialists with zero subtle development. Hopefully, there will be many more lifetimes for those who think the material world is 'solid,' to assume a greater grasp upon the Inner working of the Universe they live within:

As Above, So Below; As Within, So Without: the Invisible precedes the Visible; Unseen Cause before Seen Effect. The WORD, how it's all done (non-dogmatic).

Go figure. But those of you who like the chaos is my master concept, keep biting your tails...sounds like fun, even though lacking intelligence. Ever notice humans have similarities in form/composition? More unordered chaos, eh? No surprise: there is Rule. Dream on in ignorance, those who doubt or don't know...and it ain't any funny jesu or buddha plastic figurine (oh my!). Time for your nap, children...when you wake up, we can play 'Pawns vs Players.'

reply to post by serbsta

"There is no conspiracy. Nobody is in charge. It's a headless blunder operating under the illusion of a master plan."

And...

'The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless.'

These two quotes reflect my outlook on conspiracy theories. Watergate was a conspiracy, but in no shape or form equivalent to some internet theories. Many are infantilizing and offer a kind of learned helplessness. Between the Illuminati, MSM, PTB, Hollywood, reptilians, NWO, grays and 'mind control' theories it's a wonder we can log on to ATS and string an independent thought together

It's curious that the people who disseminate these ideas are somehow above the influence of such theories. They alone have the ability and intellect to see through the BS. Why would that be?

Biographies and autobiographies of ex-politicians, dictators and various leaders reflect the all too human weaknesses we are all prone too. It is a 'headless blunder', but if you use a politician as evidence of a lack of conspiracy...well...they roll their eyes knowingly, and say, "That's what you're supposed to think. Duh! It's the 'shadow Government' that runs the show!" What can you say?!

The proof that if conspiracies didn't exist the CTer would invent them is self-evident.

I'm glad you posted this. After having heavily digested much of the NWO stuff, it is more likely that there are people out there trying to control the whole world...But they have to deal with other people who want the same thing. Hence the chaos.

The NWO is not a cohesive organization. It is more like a collection of Mob crime families who are largely self-serving, meeting every-now-and-then to discuss turf issues, but none are allied. Why do you think our closest "Allies" spy on us? Why do you think our government spies on them?

Conspiracy theories can be comforting in the notion that you may have knowledge of something no one else does. And it makes people feel special. There's nothing wrong with that, people want to feel purposeful. But all too often we lose sight of what is really important.

Our own nation is undergoing a fleecing by the elite, and though it spreads world wide it is important to note that their goals are very different from each other. The Elite don't agree on much, but they do know how to get their bottom line met.

People feel they are out of control of these elites...But it would be as simple as cutting off the funding for them that would solve the problem.

Originally posted by j2000
I will S & F this one for you as it brings a fresh perspective.

Now think about it. As we go thru life, gain more and more knowledge, we start to realize, that for the most part, we are in fact at ATS, some of the most intelegent people on the planet.
The fact that what the OP suggested scares the living crap out of most of us here, is a reflection of how mindless our Govts. would really be.

There must be someone smarter than us in charge? Right? It really can't be that ingnorant of people with all the power? Can it?
If this truely is the case, then why don't the smart people out dupe the not so smart out of their power?

That would be the angle upon which intelligence is based. Anyone, that can keep track of the people that they are trying to minipulate to gain power must be very intellegent. right? Well, do they know how to change a tire on a car? most likely not.

If only wealth begot power, would not Bill Gates and likes be running everthing? But they are not. Are the bankers well hidden, like the Rothschilds that non of them ever show up on the Forbes list. Now your getting somewhere.
The higher up the power chain, the less that is needed to minipulate the system. Would they sit there and watch everything 24-7? most likely not.

They can sit and let the corrupt think they are in control and just react to what ever is going in a wrong direction. They can afford to have stop gaps and people that look after their buisness.

Does it matter to them what type of Govt is in charge? Sort of. With most forms of Govt., they can have corruption with the officials because they want more and more power. If they run most of the real wealth in the world, control most of the money and credit, would they not be able to control just about anything?

A true dictator like Hitler would be a big problem for them though. But as long as they are funding and suppling both sides, then they are still in control of the game.

If everyone is a slave and living poor except for a few, what would be the fun in that?

What would happen, if someone took out these few that are in charge so to speak?

It is really hard to imagine that someone or a small group is not in charge.
But, if they are, I am sure it's not an ultimate power thing. They can make things happen to individuals that would effect the majority.

Thanks for the insight, interesting read.

Is there anything to at all support the idea though... that those 'above' really aren't all that organized and that its chaotic rather than ordered?