The Mysteriously Shrinking Swine Flu Death Toll, page 1/
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Topic started on 2-5-2009 @ 10:33 PM by finemanm
I have been doing some reading, and something bizarre has happened in the MSM. A couple of days ago, Mexican Swine flu killed over a 150 people in Mexico alone. Now, that number is between SEVEN and TWENTY?

Check this out:

As the World Health Organization raises its pandemic alert over H1N1 (”swine flu”) from four to five, Vice President Joe Biden told “Today” show audiences today that he “wouldn’t go anywhere in confined spaces now” — including commercial planes or subways. But how bad is it? In comments to the Sydney Morning Herald, the WHO’s Vivienne Allan states that claims that 150 people worldwide have died from this strain of flu are false: She, like the WHO’s own report, says the number of confirmed deaths is seven.

The WHO update, which came out before yesterday’s confirmation of the death of a 23-month-old Houston boy from H1N1, found that nine countries reported 148 confirmed cases of infection, with a total of seven deaths, all in Mexico. Mexican authorities put their death toll at 159, including 10 in the last 24 hours. It’s not yet clear why Mexico’s numbers are so starkly different (perhaps Mexico hasn’t “officially” reported to WHO) from the WHO figures.

Officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have confirmed that a Cold Spring resident is the Minnesota’s first case of the H1N1.
minnesotaindependent.com...

Now look at this article:

MEXICO CITY – Mexico reported three new deaths from the swine flu epidemic Saturday and urged citizens not to let their guard down against a virus that has killed 19 in people in Mexico and is spreading across Asia and Europe.

Health Secretary Jose Angel Cordova said Mexico's confirmed swine flu cases jumped to 473, including the 19 deaths. The previous death toll in Mexico was 16. A Mexican toddler also died in Texas days ago, for a worldwide total of 20.
news.yahoo.com...

Then I find this Thread on ATS talking about another strain of flu altogether called H2N3.

From the US Dept. of Agriculture from 2007:

Researchers have identified a new strain of swine influenza—H2N3—which belongs to the group of H2 influenza viruses that last infected humans during the 1957 pandemic. This new strain has a molecular twist: It is composed of avian and swine influenza genes.

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In the newly isolated swine H2N3, the avian H2 and N3 gene segments mixed with gene segments from common swine influenza viruses. This exchange—and additional mutations—gave the H2N3 viruses the ability to infect swine. Lab tests confirmed that this strain of H2N3 could also infect mice and ferrets.

These findings provide further evidence that swine have the potential to serve as a “mixing vessel” for influenza viruses carried by birds, pigs and humans. It also supports the need to continue monitoring swine—and livestock workers—for H2-subtype viruses and other influenza strains that might someday threaten swine and human health.
www.ars.usda.gov...

Is it possible that the death toll isn't 20, but actually much higher than 150, but most of the deaths were caused by H2N3 and not H1N1 allowing the CDC and WHO to down play the problem?

Edit to sex up the title.

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reply posted on 2-5-2009 @ 11:33 PM by Cyberbian
When the WHO refers to confirmed, they do not count bodys, they count lab samples. Meaning there are a pile of bodies in Mexico, and a smaller subset of those were tested with samples arriving at some WHO location.


The body count is what ever sample size WHO decides to make it.

Almost no one dies of seasonal flu. About .6% die of pneumonia 4 to 6 weeks after the flu.

I has not been 4 to six weeks since the flu outbreak in Mexico.

Accoring to a NY Times article today test results show that of those suspected of having the flu, only 750 actually have it.

NY Times article, Outbreak in Mexico May Be Smaller Than Feared
Of 908 suspected cases that were tested, only 397 people turned out to have the virus, officially known as influenza A(H1N1)



Accoring to RSOE EDIS Mexico has 1757 suspected cases total, and 181 deaths.

So the projected infected number is 750.

Add to that 750 the 181 dead. That gives you 181 out of 931 dead, nearly a 20 % mortality rate.

If only two percent die, and the entire world is infected, that comes to 135 Million dead, 20% comes to 1215 Million dead.

This is potentially before the usual killer, pneumonia spreads through the weakened population.

These are not the usual folks in nursing homes dieing. These are the healthiest people, who's own immune systems overreact and kill them.

No where in history has a disease been so horrendously lethal.

I pray these numbers are wrong. This would certainly be Bio-Warfare if this played out with these numbers.


reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 01:28 AM by Aeons
reply to post by Cyberbian



However, many of those people who don't have H1N1 DO have H2N3.


reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 01:48 AM by finemanm
reply to post by Aeons



That’s what I am starting to think. I think that H1N1 isn't the real killer, but its H2N3.

Influenza A virus subtype H1N1, also known as A(H1N1), is a subtype of influenzavirus A and the most common cause of influenza (flu) in humans.
en.wikipedia.org...

When I first read that this Mexican virus was H1N1 I immediately looked it up and found it hard to believe that it was the culprit.

Now that there is information that H2N3 - a far more rare virus - is on the loose, it make you think that someone is hiding something.



reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 02:46 AM by RogerT
Originally posted by Phage
Anybody remember this?
Bird Flu: The Next Pandemic?

[edit on 5/2/2009 by Phage]


Irony wasted on so many deaf ears here on ATS.

Members so desperately want to believe the apocalypse is upon us in the form of a bug.

I've stocked up on garlic just to be sure, but see my sig for my current view on this latest 'pandemic'


reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 03:21 AM by tarifa37
Originally posted by RogerT
Originally posted by Phage
Anybody remember this?
Bird Flu: The Next Pandemic?

[edit on 5/2/2009 by Phage]


Irony wasted on so many deaf ears here on ATS.

Members so desperately want to believe the apocalypse is upon us in the form of a bug.

I've stocked up on garlic just to be sure, but see my sig for my current view on this latest 'pandemic'


I think you mean " sarcasm"


reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 02:16 PM by finemanm
reply to post by reugen



That is exactly what I'm worried about. That which ever virus (H1N1 or H2N3) comes back in the fall, it will be a real killer.

Right now TPTB want us to start forgeting about this thing and focus on more important things like American Idol or Brittney Spears. The don't want us to get prepared for a real pandemic by hording food and water over the summer.

They want us to be unprepared in the fall and winter when this thing rachets back up.
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