that was cool.

What was the "Impeach Bush" all about. you realize Obama is running this country right now dont ya?

Ima have my brother waterboard me to see what all the fuss is about

Psychological torture is as bad as pain. Pain goes away fear and psychosis does not.


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[edit on 1-5-2009 by timewalker]

Originally posted by timewalker
Psychological torture is as bad as pain. Pain goes away fear and psychosis does not.

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Now, now--why would you think that? Don't you know that the only torture is that which causes physical damage? If you can't see it on the skin, it may as well have never happened.

Apparently, most forms of abuse that we currently prosecute should go by the wayside, because they leave no "long-term" markers on the bodies of the victims. Who are these idiots? Cavemen? We know very well that psychological damage is life-altering. But apparently we need to see blood, blood and more blood...

Originally posted by Common Good

Ima have my brother waterboard me to see what all the fuss is about

thats what i was thinking but i remember scuba diving once and your brain has a strange auto panic thing going on at first with no airtank it may be way worse i`ll let ya know over the weekend how it gose

S&F Everyone should watch this video. The journalist was under no duress or implied fear of death... and he still could not handle it. He states that his brain automatically took over, and he began to panic as soon as his nose filled with water. He knew all he had to do was last 15 seconds...

This was a very eye opening video on waterboarding. Now I understand why it really is torture.

That wasn't a US soldier.

We haven't worn that uniform for about 4 or 5 years.

I'm thinking it was staged.

Doesn't change the meaning of the video. I just think its a fake.

Originally posted by jd140
That wasn't a US soldier.

We haven't worn that uniform for about 4 or 5 years.

I'm thinking it was staged.

Doesn't change the meaning of the video. I just think its a fake.

Let me get this straight...

- Reporter bets that he can stand waterboarding for 15 seconds, of which he is the second to make this bet...

- He fails and drops out of the test prematurely just as the other reporter did...

And you conclude its fake? Every single person ever subjected to water boarding all say the same thing "it's terrifying"

Ya, lets fake it... sigh... were doomed.

Originally posted by Aceofclubs

Originally posted by Common Good

Ima have my brother waterboard me to see what all the fuss is about

thats what i was thinking but i remember scuba diving once and your brain has a strange auto panic thing going on at first with no airtank it may be way worse i`ll let ya know over the weekend how it gose

Even though I have always been completely comfortable in the water, including open water (Especially the Ocean), I do remember the first time I even attempted to snorkel I did in fact have a shock factor which made me breath somewhat deeper and quicker. This was also true for my first SCUBA session in a pool, but I quickly overcame it in about Two Minutes.

I have been underwater, between 30-40 feet deep in the Pacific for an Hour-and-a-Half before, and yeah, I completely understand the feeling which you mention. I overcame it rather rapidly however, and I had a wonderful time.

BTW, I have accidentally (and a few times purposely) swallowed more water on more occasions than I care to remember, but I have never panicked from it.

15 seconds? I bet Sean Hannity lasts longer than that.
Really, 15 seconds. Didn't Obama Kahlid Muhamnmed Bubba Lu, or whatever his name is, last about 5 minutes before he broke down and cried like a baby? Go Muslims! You know how to stand up under torture. Ya live it after all don't you? Okay. Joke, friends. Time to pour another shot of Jim Beam and smoke a Marlboro Red.

Lasting physical damage....

Ok how about we stretch it a little bit for the people who think that this is actually torture...

We can even add in Lasting emotional damage...

I dont think that this reporter will have lasting emotional damage in fact i bet the only time the event crosses his mind in the future is when he tries to impress someone with the "I got waterboarded once" story...

If i can scare the bejesus out of you and make you tell me something (something that i can use) then great...All you have to do is tell me everything you know BEFORE i start pouring water up your nose or throwing bugs at you or pushing you up against a special wall thats built like a wrestling ring...

Im not even trained in interrogation but lets say I sit you down and say...

Me:
"Tell me everything you know about muffins."

You:
"I wont tell you anything about muffins you infidel..."

Me:
"Well you have worked in a muffin shop for the past 5 years so I know you have some information about muffins..."

You:
"Pilsbury is great..."

Me:
"Please, this can all be over if you just tell me one ingredient in the muffin mix..."

You:
"..."

At this point I affix a cervical collar to your neck and slam you against the special wall that I built earlier.

Me:
"TELL ME WHATS IN THOSE MUFFINS...THEY'RE DELICIOUS!!!!"

You: (a little scared)
"Ok, ok we use some flour..."

Me:
"Well thats better, please have a seat and a glass of water... What else can you tell me about the muffins?"

You:
"Go to hell..."

----Ok end simulation---

So you see...if you were to tell me that you use flour, sugar and eggs in your muffin mix to start out and then I could confirm that youre telling the truth then you would be sitting pretty in your cell, well fed and not "tortured"

[edit on 3-5-2009 by BingeBob]

The debate over the torture issue should not be framed in the way that we're talking about what is or isn't torture. This is a question of why our government not respecting one of our most basic human rights.

The rights to not incriminate yourself and be free from degrading and cruel punishment are cornerstones of the foundation of our country. This right is explicitly outlined in the US constitution, the geneva conventions, the universal declaration of human rights and countless other nations' legal framework.

These ideals distinguish the civilized people of the world from the barbaric.