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posted on May, 1 2009 @ 11:13 AM

Military ambitions

THE new defence white paper will transform Australia's defence for a generation, asking taxpayers to dig deeply in their pockets to fund the creation of one of the most potent military forces in the Asia-Pacific.

It foreshadows the most dramatic build-up of naval power since World War II, predicated on the belief that the rise of China heralds significant long-term strategic risks for Australia.

But the 140-page document, called Force 2030, to be released today, bristles with ambition and risk in equal measure. It is arguably Kevin Rudd's greatest gamble.
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posted on May, 1 2009 @ 11:13 AM
It would seem the latest military spending, with most going to the navy is a possible response to China's recent naval build up, which consists a fleet of 10 nuclear-powered submarines and as many as 60 diesel-electric vessels the Rudd government has doubled the submarine fleet from six to 12, acquired three air warfare destroyers, eight new anti submarine frigates and 24 new naval combat helicopters.

It's about time the Australian got themselves some decent hardware, the addition of 100 JSF F35's is also a welcome inclusion.

Personally I hope they keep a squad or two of the F111's for any longer range missions, as they are ideal for that. (and we need them for fuel dumps over Bathurst
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 1/5/09 by Chadwickus]

posted on May, 1 2009 @ 11:31 AM
reply to post by Chadwickus

Does this mean there will be less production of Fosters..?

If so, this is a bad move...I, and many others, contribute to your economy through the weekly consumption of one of the better Lagers around.

If that happens, you can kiss your new toys good bye!!

Back on Topic:

Great news Buddy!

posted on May, 1 2009 @ 11:40 AM
reply to post by chapter29

You know we export Fosters for a reason don't you?
To keep all the good beer here

On topic, there's going to be many naysayers out there regarding this but we are long over due for upgrades. Providing the money goes to the right areas that is, seeing the full report tomorrow (today) will tell us more.

posted on May, 2 2009 @ 02:37 AM
Here's the link to the white paper:

posted on May, 2 2009 @ 02:47 AM
The world in involved in a global military buildup. You can guess what usually happens next. World War Three. The Apophis asteroid is probably going to hit the earth. The governments of the world know it. What they don’t know yet is precisely where or when. However, they soon will have that information. When they do, then war will most likely break out in my opinion.

Australia needs to do a lot more than just buying ships. Australia has the world’s largest unprotected coastline, yes? That means that they need to quickly change the laws regarding civilian gun ownership. They need to go the way of Switzerland and make every able bodied male a soldier in civilian clothing. The best that they can hope for is the idea that Switzerland used in world war two. That being that to take Switzerland by force would cost anyone who tried dearly. Only the arming of the civilian population accomplishes that goal.

Time to wake up Australia and embrace what the situation dictates, a militant society, and civilian gun ownership.

posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:03 AM

It foreshadows the most dramatic build-up of naval power since World War II, predicated on the belief that the rise of China heralds significant long-term strategic risks for Australia.

Well if China is perceived as some sort of risk, why is Rudd so chummy with them then if they mean us harm?
And why are we still allowing chinese imports which will only give them more money for the bullets and bombs to shoot back at us in the future?
I think it's all posturing. If we were really serious about defence and future risks we'd begin our own nuclear programme.
We have more uranium in the ground than any other country on earth, so the raw materials would be free.
No one would bother us if we had nukes.

Will keep on eye on this though, interesting.

[edit on 2-5-2009 by Flighty]

posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:14 AM
reply to post by Flighty

It's because China is so secretive about their military, who knows what they may decided to do in the future?

Don't forget it's not just China, North Korea are also quite unpredictable, then you have the constant issues in Indonesia. Political turmoil in Fiji.

Also, Australia has been trading closely with China long before Rudd came along, it's true he's probably increased trade with them but who wouldn't?

posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:50 AM

Originally posted by Chadwickus
then you have the constant issues in Indonesia.

Indeed! I don't know why we bother with those a-holes in Indonesia. If anyone's a threat, it's them. Simply because of their numbers... and the fact that they believe they actually own Australia's top end. God knows why we teach their soldiers to fight on our soil.

It's a one way relationship that needs to be broken unless they have something to offer us in return apart from snide remarks, boat people, islamic terrorists and general whining about the pink faces.

I don't really see any other nation as being a threat to Australia. We don't really have enemies on the scale of a nation like America.


posted on May, 2 2009 @ 10:39 AM
It's nothing major compared to how much US spends on it's war machine.

Recently chinese spies hacked into Pentagon's £200bn Joint Strike Fighter project and copied information about its design and electronics systems.

And that was just a fraction spent on research into their future fighters.

Aussie's are juz getting up-to-date.

posted on May, 2 2009 @ 10:44 AM
reply to post by merkava

Yup the budget is dwarfed by a lot of other countries.

So they gotta use what they got to it's maximum potential.

posted on May, 2 2009 @ 12:46 PM
Its about time Austrailia steps up to the plate. This news doesnt bother me at all. Will be good to have you guys on board.

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