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8-year-old Saudi girl divorces 50-year-old husband

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posted on May, 2 2009 @ 05:07 AM
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Wow, you've missed the entire point haven't you? The US government is infested with religion, religion itself is a huge political issue and plays into many decisions. Politicians are even willing to be honest about this fact. It's sad that you are not. Maybe instead of attacking Islam you should realize that just like here in America it is the people putting the bs into practice that are at fault, not the religion itself. Not everyone who practices this faith believes in pedophilia and marrying off young people. Just like there are plenty of Christians who have faith, but are way over some things stated in the bible that go hand in hand with outdated ideologies that ignore common sense and our current educated state and advanced awareness.

By the way there are plurals out there, but I doubt bringing any into the discussion will change your mind, since you dismissed the one I posted. Obviously that route is a waste of my time.

But here is an article about an on going issue in America: bunda.org...

There are still places in this supposedly secular nation where I, an Agnostic, or an atheist are not allowed to run for office. Yeah, that's what I call secular.


I hope you become educated, we can't change what's broken if we don't admit that it needs fixing and point fingers at other countries without acknowledging that the finger occasionally needs to be turned around.

-Cheers

[edit on 2-5-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]




posted on May, 2 2009 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage

Wow, you've missed the entire point haven't you? The US government is infested with religion, religion itself is a huge political issue and plays into many decisions.

You can make any claims the way Islam defends the wisdom of Allah, but you can't provide any evidence of that "religious infestation." -- unless you fumigate your house upon seeing one cockroach.

Unfortunately, you don't see the principle difference. In Saudi Arabia, Koran and the word of Allah is the Justice Supreme. In civilized countries the Bible doesn't decide the terms of punishment or the jurors don't page through Ezekiel or Isaiah to figure our if a defendand is guilty or not.

It's true that the Church has an influence, like raising hammer all the time against prostitution, which is a contract among adults -- no harm done. There are some one billion Roman Catholics world-wide and they are also taxpayers. But modern Roman Catholicism is shaped in Vatican and the brass over there is far more open-minded in interpreting the word of God than those ayatollahs, caliphs, imams, mullahs or other camel/human interbreeds.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 05:34 PM
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Quite disturbing...that's all I can say.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 06:19 PM
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Well this little girl wasn't the first child bride in Saudi Arabia, a more famous example would be the six year old girl married to an elderly man. This man didn't consumate the marriage until the girl was nine. Her name was Aisha and his name, you may have heard of him, the prophet Muhammad.

She was his wife when he received his "revelations", he died in her lap (when she was 18). She memorised the koran, learnt quite a bit from her husband, dictated 2,000+ Hadith and went on to be a military leader in the early spread of Islam before dying at the age of 65.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by Supercertari
Well this little girl wasn't the first child bride in Saudi Arabia, a more famous example would be the six year old girl married to an elderly man. This man didn't consumate the marriage until the girl was nine. Her name was Aisha and his name, you may have heard of him, the prophet Muhammad.

Oh, yes, Muhammad the Precedence Supreme . . .

I wonder if the present legal age to marry would be affected by a hypothethical scenario where, by some strange coincidence, all notable Founding Fathers were born to their mothers aged between 13 and 15.

Any idea?



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by stander

Very young girls usually compare male adults to their dads, and the husband probably didn't fit the role model in this case.

They should counsel the young kids about the change that they may encounter while marrying in a very young age. A proper psychological counseling would prevent painful divorce and break up of the Saudi families of a special kind.


The little girl did not willingly marry this man. She was forced into the marriage by her father who basically sold his daughter to pay off a debt that he owed this man (his friend), and also received $13,000 as a marriage gift from the husband.

The mother tried to get the court to grant a divorce, but the court said the mother had no parental rights as she is seperated from the father. Apparantly the courts changed their mind because this case received so much attention.

There is a thread about the case here

www.abovetopsecret.com...'



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 07:17 PM
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Well the only thing I can muster is...

" You Go Girl!"

Had to say it, sorry.

Way to kick it to the system.

Old Creep....

~Keeper



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by chise61

Originally posted by stander

Very young girls usually compare male adults to their dads, and the husband probably didn't fit the role model in this case.

They should counsel the young kids about the change that they may encounter while marrying in a very young age. A proper psychological counseling would prevent painful divorce and break up of the Saudi families of a special kind.


The little girl did not willingly marry this man. She was forced into the marriage by her father who basically sold his daughter to pay off a debt that he owed this man (his friend), and also received $13,000 as a marriage gift from the husband.

Aah, I just made a sarcastic remark.

There had to be a money deal involved. I don't think that the average age of brides in Saudi Arabia is bellow 10.



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 12:42 AM
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How very sad that most appear to have missed the point. Sad repressed people probably not that well educated and a society that largely turns a blind eye to common decency and more importantly the protection of innocent children. That is the real underlying cause.



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by Lady of the Lake

How very sad that most appear to have missed the point. Sad repressed people probably not that well educated and a society that largely turns a blind eye to common decency and more importantly the protection of innocent children. That is the real underlying cause.

Child abuse is not uncommon. If other countries allowed similar practices, selling underage daughters wouldn't limit itself to Saudia Arabia. But Saudi Arabia is an Islamic country where religion plays an important part in the affairs of the state. If you read this
www.abovetopsecret.com...
then you know that the practice is not considered immoral or deviant, coz prophet Muhammad enjoyed the attention of the kid that he called his wife.



[edit on 5/3/2009 by stander]



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 02:37 AM
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These child sexual relationship are just particularly shocking to Westerners manifestations of a culture that does not even consider the rights of non-aristocratic females to be an issue.

Only under extreme pressure from the international human rights community Saudi Arabia technically revoked slavery in 1961.

But not in spirit or practice.

Sunni Wahhabism considers slave ownership a natural state for societies. They even openly push for it being reinstated in law.



www.danielpipes.org...

... a prominent Saudi religious authority recently called for slavery to be re-legalized in the kingdom. Ali Al-Ahmed reports on the views of Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan, the author of a religious textbook (At-Tawhid, "Monotheism") widely used to teach Saudi high school students as well as their counterparts abroad studying in Saudi schools (including those in the West).

"Slavery is a part of Islam," he announced in a recent lecture. "Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam." He argued against the idea that slavery had ever been abolished, insulting those who espouse this view as "ignorant, not scholars. They are merely writers. Whoever says such things is an infidel."

Al-Fawzan is no maverick. He is:

* A member of the Senior Council of Clerics, Saudi Arabia's highest religious body;
* A member of the Council of Religious Edicts and Research;
* Imam of the Prince Mitaeb Mosque in Riyadh; and
* Professor at Imam Mohamed Bin Saud Islamic University, the main Wahhabi center of learning.


Mike


[edit on 3-5-2009 by mmiichael]



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by stander

Originally posted by dashen
Dear lordy, I hope these people at least wait till puberty to consumate this er, "relationship". Nowadays 50 year olds are not yet mature enough to be wed, but 8?

That kid is 8 years old, so is the story of another Saudi who checked with Allah if it was okay to take down the World Trade Center in New York. As long as Allah doesn't object, lots of things are possible.

I'm not sure what was allowed in this respect by the advent of Christianity and if the early Christians had some age limit under which folks should not marry. Islam is a pretty free-wheeling religion, lemme tell ya.


Yup Pedophilia = Suicide Bombing. Im on to the conspiracy too.



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by stander
But modern Roman Catholicism is shaped in Vatican and the brass over there is far more open-minded in interpreting the word of God than those ayatollahs, caliphs, imams, mullahs or other camel/human interbreeds.



Are you nuts?

Seriously... the Catholic Church open minded?

That's a bit absurd.

Any ORGANIZATION which decrees what people can and can't do based on some diety is a CANCER to the intellect of society.

I understand that individuals all have their own reasons and superstitions driving them. However, when the Pope says that Condem make AIDS worse, then you have serious issues.

I don't care which religion it is... if it is driving the laws in a country, then it is a cancer point blank.

And keep in mind, this is NOT a condemnation on belief. It is a condemnation of the Romanization of religions, which has stayed with us to this very day.



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by stander
But modern Roman Catholicism is shaped in Vatican and the brass over there is far more open-minded in interpreting the word of God than those ayatollahs, caliphs, imams, mullahs or other camel/human interbreeds.



Are you nuts?

Seriously... the Catholic Church open minded?

That's a bit absurd.


I didn't underline the words "far more" and "than" that make the comparative between two religions, so you didn't understand the meaning of what I said.



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 10:31 PM
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This is child molestation pure and simple!
This 50 year old man should be put in prison!

This poor child was being forced to have sex with a sick old man!
How sick can you get!!!




[edit on 5/3/2009 by SaintlyMic]



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 11:01 PM
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I am guessing no one here has ever read the Talmud. For those of you who haven't it's the Hebrew Book of Laws.

In it, it states things like if you have sexual relations (including homosexual) with children between the age of 3 and 5 it is alright because their "Virginity" grows back!

Now call me crazy but I am guessing the Hebrews did not write this into law on an untried or proven theory!

Let's not even bother to talk about what far too many Catholic Priests have been accused of doing in the United States of America from coast to coast sea to shining sea.

The point is whether legal or illegal sexual deviance is alive and well amongst all cultures, all religions, all societies.

The difference between a country like Saudi Arabia and the United States is that in the Saudi System there are prescribed rules governing this that as you can see evidenced by the thread allow for some Judicial oversight and a right of recourse.

The litterally dozens of Catholic Priests the Vatican could not shield from prosecution by bribing or threatening their often under 10 years of age victims had no contract, had no judicial oversight, had no right of consent, or parental consent before having sexual relationships consumated.

It's easy to criticize this law for formalizing what is obvious a human condition the world over.

Because it is a human condition the world over, I would contend it is far more progressive and humane to have a legal process that legitimizes it and governs it, rather than hypocritically pretending things don't exist within one's culture and creating needless victims to that extent.

Though never found guilty many Americans do believe Michael Jackson is guilty of molesting young children. Some even speculate that some of his alleged victim's parents knew that their children might be victimized in this fashion but because of his celebrity and wealth knowingly and willfully exposed their children to him for their own personal gain.

I personally don't think the Christian anti-Muslim crowd has any room to talk on this one.

You can impose your morallity on people all day long through laws and shocked indignation but that is not going to stop something that is truly inherent in the natural human condition and has been in cultures and religions throughout the world for as long as history has been recorded.

While some of you are busy praying for my soul and others are thinking of the appropriate words to curse me, I am praying you keep your children away from private unsupervised encounters with your priests and ministers!

So rest assured we are even before you flame me!


[edit on 3/5/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Though never found guilty many Americans do believe Michael Jackson is guilty of molesting young children. Some even speculate that some of his alleged victim's parents knew that their children might be victimized in this fashion but because of his celebrity and wealth knowingly and willfully exposed their children to him for their own personal gain.

I personally don't think the Christian anti-Muslim crowd has any room to talk on this one.

The "Christian anti-Muslim crowd" would have plenty of room available if you didn't invite Michael Jackson who is not ordained priest in. You are wandering well beyond the limit that helps to focus on the issue, which is not an issue of personal morality. The issue deals with religions and their differences and how it impacts people.

You conveniently failed to point out that those folks who represent Roman Catholic Church found the sexual abuse taking place in some local churches grossly improper, as opposed to the situation where those who represent Islam and the state as well in some cases see a marriage between an 8-year-old female and 50-year-old male as nothing extraordinary. This union could cause irreparable damage to the psyche of that kid (see ban and hard prosecution of child pornographers), but Islam draws its own conclusion from Koran, which says otherwise -- no harm done.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by stander

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Though never found guilty many Americans do believe Michael Jackson is guilty of molesting young children. Some even speculate that some of his alleged victim's parents knew that their children might be victimized in this fashion but because of his celebrity and wealth knowingly and willfully exposed their children to him for their own personal gain.

I personally don't think the Christian anti-Muslim crowd has any room to talk on this one.

The "Christian anti-Muslim crowd" would have plenty of room available if you didn't invite Michael Jackson who is not ordained priest in. You are wandering well beyond the limit that helps to focus on the issue, which is not an issue of personal morality. The issue deals with religions and their differences and how it impacts people.

You conveniently failed to point out that those folks who represent Roman Catholic Church found the sexual abuse taking place in some local churches grossly improper, as opposed to the situation where those who represent Islam and the state as well in some cases see a marriage between an 8-year-old female and 50-year-old male as nothing extraordinary. This union could cause irreparable damage to the psyche of that kid (see ban and hard prosecution of child pornographers), but Islam draws its own conclusion from Koran, which says otherwise -- no harm done.





You conveniently failed to point out that those folks who represent Roman Catholic Church found the sexual abuse taking place in some local churches grossly improper, as opposed to the situation where those who represent Islam and the state as well in some cases see a marriage between an 8-year-old female and 50-year-old male as nothing extraordinary. This union could cause irreparable damage to the psyche of that kid (see ban and hard prosecution of child pornographers), but Islam draws its own conclusion from Koran, which says otherwise -- no harm done.


You are forgetting that the Talmud sees no harm in such things either.

Neither did the original Mormons who only gave up their poligomy in order to gain Statehood for Utah and political acceptance and protections.

Several communities of "Jack Mormons" exist in the 4 corners areas of Utah, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico who still practice Poligomy including taking brides pre-adolescence.

You also obviously missed the point and the many press articles where Rome and the Archdioceses in major U.S. Cities shuttled troubled priests from one city to another looking to shield them and the church from exposure to their pedophilia while quietly making rumors and accussations go away.

They didn't excommunicate those priests that they shuttled from one city to another, they didn't attempt to limit those priests contact with children.

They would only stop protecting those priests when prosecutors had such strong and damaging testimony by victims they couldn't silence that there was no longer any way to stop prosecutions.

The Koran's morallity is little different than the Talmud's and when you consider the Mormons and their behavior what you do see is that when political pressure is brought to bear to make sects abandon their beliefs to gain privelage and acceptance the practice amongst the faithful simply goes underground and hidden to the point it becomes much harder to intercede and gain recourse.

In Saudi Arabia it is politically acceptable and frankly if you aren't living in Saudi Arabia or planning on doing so your morality is your morality and theirs is theirs. Chances are I don't like either of your moralities but hey that's my oppinion, which I have a right to, but Saudi Arabia on the other hand is a country that has a right to set it's own laws. I am sure we here in the United States have some laws the Saudis find shocking and amorral.

The imposition of Christian morallity on most of the known world has led to catostrophic loss of indigenous life and cultures, theft of those people's resources, enforced moralities that cause long standing resentments, and an unballanced ecosystem that functions outside of nature's laws and to the natural planets detriment.

Christian morallity in my oppinion is a killer, and those constantly looking to impose it upon other people and nations usually have ulterior motives that are far less innocent than the circular logic their convoluted scriptures provide them to grant them absolution and justification in the process.

If you live in America, we are plenty screwed up, with plenty of our own problems that need to be fixed, your acts aren't charitble my friend, your scripture doesn't say charity starts abroad...

Let's clean up America's backyard first, then worry about the rest of the world...that by the way, isn't really inviting our help or our oppinion or imposing their morallity on us.

Thanks.



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 12:18 AM
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Christianity does not support or encourage sodomy or pedophilia. However, Catholicism, not Christianity, has an ongoing history of their 'priests' enjaging in rather unfavorable acts with alter boys.
Jesus mother, Mary, was about 14 when she had Jesus.
By the way, I have read papal papers insisting Catholics not call themselves Christians, but only Catholics. Not the current pope, but a former. It points out that there is a distinct difference, and they feel Catholicism is so far 'superior' to Protestand Christianity that it is degrading to refer to a Catholic as 'Christian'. They have also never had a problem with teachings counter to the Bible, and what we would call 'Christian' is based on the Bible. Catholicism is a blend of paganism with Christianity, initiated in the Roman Empire with Constantine.
I am rather surprised that this girl was able to divorce in Saudi Arabia. I thought that women have no rights there, they only have a hope to be one of those 72 virgin wifes.



[edit on 4-5-2009 by Gregarious]



posted on May, 4 2009 @ 12:42 AM
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The Koran gaurantees women the right to a divorce and also shields all money and property that the wife brought into the marraige and earned during the marraige.

In many ways Muslims gave far more rights to their women and wives that the Christians gave theirs until the sufferage movements of the early 1900s granted women the right to vote in the United States. Prior to that American women were rightless.

The U.S. Constitution says all Men are created equal not all people. Women like blacks were not allowed to vote, and the traditional American culture was Women and Children are meant to be seen not heard.

Much of American law and portions of Holy Roman Empire Catholic law where in part patterned off of Roman Patrician Law which granted absolute unquestioned and unfettered right of lordship within a man's home to rule it. A Roman male . of household could legally kill his Wife, children, or slaves for any reason no questions asked.

Most states are patriarchal societies versus matriarchal societies which their are very few of.

While I do not agree with Muslim Law, or Christian or Jewish Law, the perception that women are rightless in Islamic Law is a falicy.

The Burkas are about men not allowing women to become something to tempt one another and fight over. It's kind of a common sene based law, if I can't see what your wife looks like because of how she is dressed I can't covet her. If she as well as I are punished harshly for having an extramarital affair then it disuades both parties.

Muslims may not be politically correct in the Western sense but most of their laws are based on common sense things to elliminate contention and controversy creating violence or theft against one another. They are actually very honorable people to do business with, tough hagglers and negotiators but their words are their bonds. They are neither stupid nor backwards and while the papacy forced the dark ages on Europe as it stamped out all other pagan religions and imposed its own and in the process stifled science, mathematics, astronomy and astrollogy, and medicine, and actually lost many Roman technological and scientific and health advances in the process, the Islamic world was excelling in Science, Medicine, Astronomy and Astrollogy and was far a. of us when the Rennasaince in Europe brought about in large part by Martin Luther challenging papal hedgemony followed in quick order by King Henry and the Church Of England the west was centuries behind the muslims at that point.

A lot of the falicies and propoganda regarding Muslims and Islams is put forth by the Hebrews whom are much more closely related in both blood and actual knowledge of the G-d that supposedly was Christ's father.

Neither Jews or Muslims believe Christ to be the son of G-d, but the Muslims do believe he was a prophet and honor the Virgin Mary as well.

The Jews see Christ as an infadel that their own post scriptures have banished to a place in Hell made especially for Christ with the Virgin Mary right alongside him close by.

The Muslims though who know the whole history of the religion believe the Jews broke their covenant/contract with G-d.

The Christians tend to like the Jews despite the differences of oppinion about Jesus and the Virgin Mary because Christs return only happens with the Jews in Israel, and he returns to Jerusalem, so Christians are far more bound to accept Jews as a result as opposed to Muslims who do not anticipate a return of Jesus in the fashion Christians do.

Personally I think its all a lot of hocus pocus mumbo jumbo no different than Thor struck his hammer and made the thunder and lightening.

Yet billions of people the world over are indoctrinated at Birth into these cults heavily pressured to center their belief systems around them, and to live their lives by them, in large part because they fear for their eternal souls and are insecure about what life is, and are afraid of death.

Some very poor people which many in both the Muslim and the Christian world are, pay extra creedence to their scriptures because earthly life is so harsh they don't want to miss out on paradise in Heaven when they finally make it through.




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