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Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
"A right is a right."
"I find it amazing that anyone will defend this...."
Originally posted by rockhndr
I for one am enjoying the ongoing conversation between the OP and Schrod...(pass the popcorn please?)
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by Ben Niceknowinya
Oh, all right ...
I'm honestly trying to understand where you're coming from here.
From what I gather, the basis of your argument is that NYC due to its nature has to somehow bend the constitution in order to curb crime.
However, as you yourself mentioned, crime was greatly reduced in NYC in the 90's. This was when Giuliani came in as the mayor, but the "stop and frisk" policy was NOT in existence yet.
So to me, the argument that somehow this is NEEDED is wrong on two front, 1. Constitutionally, and 2. Crime prevention in NYC has been proven possible without such draconian measures.
Originally posted by rockhndr
reply to post by jfj123
Ya' think someone should have let the Bush cronies in on that little bit of info?????
2nd line.....reminder to self...feed the dog-NO not YOU Schrodinger!!
[edit on 1-5-2009 by rockhndr]
Originally posted by Reading
I have been stopped and searched all my life living in london, get over yourselves
The NYCLU learned of the database from an internal NYPD operations order, dated 2006 (and now available on the NYCLU's website), that mandates that "stop-and-frisk worksheets," which officers fill out after stopping and frisking any individual, be submitted for inclusion in a new database. According to sources with first-hand knowledge of the database, the names of persons stopped are included in the database and can be obtained through a query of the system.
Initial reports state that in 2006, the Department completed stop-and-frisk forms on 508,540 individuals. Of that number, only 50,436 were arrested or received summonses, leaving 458,104 people, or 90 percent of all people stopped, found to have engaged in no unlawful activity. According to the Department, 85.7 percent of all persons stopped were black or Hispanic.
New York State Penal Law (Section 160.50) requires that police records of people who are arrested and whose cases are later dismissed must be sealed so as to protect their privacy rights. The massive new stop-and-frisk database circumvents those legal protections by including hundreds of thousands of people who have never been arrested or given a summons. And for those people who were arrested and whose cases were dismissed, unsealed retention of their names in the NYPD database would directly violate this law. NYCLU
Originally posted by dooper
Well, as long as they're handing out cards, I guess that makes it OK.
And if they can include a coloring book, that should justify property confiscation.