Beck Talks Socialized Medicine with Former Canadian Sally Pipes

Found this video and thought it was pretty interesting. in it a former Canadian speaks out against socialized medicine. She makes some great points on this subject and personally, I agree with her. Hope you enjoy it.



I know, its fox news and, worse, Glenn Beck but this lady really has some thought provoking ideas.

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Hahaha, "The Road to Socialism", gotta love Fox news.

While she certainly brings up some points, I have to wonder about the veracity of her claims, given the fact that she is appearing on a decidedly anti-universal-healthcare news network, and on the basis that so many Canadians would seem to disagree with her. I've known a number of Canadians and former Canadians who have spoken very highly of the Canadian healthcare system, and I've also have a few friends from across the pond who are disgusted with the way health insurance works here in America.

So, not having ever lived in Canada, I would like to know how some of the Canadian citizens here feel about her viewpoints. Do you guys feel cheated by your system? Do you think it would be better if Canada adopted a privatized healthcare system like we have here in the states?

I'm looking forward to hearing from our neighbors up north on this one.

Does anyone know if it's possible to embed a LiveLeak video? I did some searching but i never found a definitive answer.

Thanks for the reply, drwizardphd, star for you.


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I'm going to go ahead and throw my $0.02 in:

I am not my brother's keeper. If one is truly in need of help with medical expenses, there is medicaid, medicare, free clinics, charity hospitals, and charities in general.

This plan would basically force us all to take medicaid and i've heard about all the red tape involved in that. I do not want bureaucrats deciding when and what sort of medical care i need and who will administer it.

Under this and all socialized medical plans, quality of care would suffer. Bureaucrats are going to invariably say that the cheapest treatment is the best one for you. Doctors and other medical professionals will take hits to their income. There will no longer be an incentive to be the best doctor out there when the profitability that comes with that title is removed. Doctors will do half-ass jobs and when people die, they'll say "i couldn't help it, i was just doing what i was told."

This is a bad thing, don't buy into it.


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People can say anything they want, but I ask you this. Do you know ANYWHERE in the world where nationalized health care is working well? Where people arent waiting forever for simple procedures?

Our waiting list for transplants right now is already huge, could you imagine how large it would be with nationalized healthcare?

People are dying on the waiting lists for procedures , where here in the US they it wouldnt be as bad. Many people are dying and sometimes becoming so much worse that their situations, which were once curable, are now terminal.

If its so great, then why do people from all over including Canada come here to pay out of pocket for procedures? Its simple, because they simply cant get them in places with health care thats nationalized.

British orthopedic surgeons are saying that elderly people awaiting hip replacements (that we currently can do at a moments notice) will most likely die waiting for the operation!

In the nationalized health care system in Canada the government has shut down hospital wards that provided needed but expensive chemotherapy
and radiology treatment for patients with cancer. Even if patients with cancer are willing to pay for these services, they are unable to obtain them. If they wish to live, they must seek health care in the United States where more freedom in medicine still exists!


In the famous Swedish University city of Malmo, for example, the waiting time for plastic surgery is seven years, for gall bladder operations the wait is three years. Diabetics in Sweden sometimes go blind while waiting two years to get an appointment at Swedish eye clinics.

Between 1986 and 1990 the average five year survival (medical standard for "cure") for lung cancer in England was 6%; that of other European countries with less socialized health care systems was 10.5%; that of the United States which still has the freest health care system was 14.5%, more than double that of England. The same trend is evident for bowl and lung cancer and for breast cancer in women.

Just some things I think we need to think about.

Thank you for the reply, ManBehindTheMask. Star for you, friend.

For the longest time, i thought i was the only one opposed to the nationalization of health care. It's refreshing to see that others out there are putting the thought into this that something of this magnitude warrants. People hear the phrase "for the public good" (and similar rhetoric) and assume that the person speaking it has their best interests in mind, but that is not always the case.


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Haha, ya shes on Fox news, I am sure she is "FAIR AND BALANCED" haha... obviously they found the most outspoken critic who will say exactly what they want her to say.


As a canadian, I have lived with a "socialized" medical system my entire life. Through out my life, I have visited the hosptial NUMEROUS times. I've had about 60 stitches in my life for 4 different scars. I have been there for a broken bone, and I have been there once when I was really young for being very sick.

Though we may end up waiting in the ER for an hour while our stomach is sore, we all get the care we need. Best part is, when we leave the hospital we get a bill for $0.00.

If we need special, extra care, then we can pay for private operations or such. Or be on a free waiting list.

Now, the point I am trying to make is that for 90% of the population, this form of health care IS MUCH BETTER than the American version. You may, if you're lucky, fit into the 10% of Americans that can afford the finest of health care, but if you're in the 90% you would be happy to live in Canada.

What all American health care defenders fail to consider is the high cost of not caring for those patients without money. These people who can be crippled and have their entire life destroyed by mounting medical care bills, are now in a situation of desperation. A family who has worked their entire life and paid their taxes faithfully, could find their life in shambles if a family member falls ill and has medical bills. How is that fair?

When I was young my family took a trip to Disney land. A few days in, my grandma fell very ill and was hospitalized in the US. By the time she was shipped back to Canada just one week later, she had already gathered $400,000 in medical bills and if not for the travel insurance we had purchased, my entire family would have been bankrupt.

Never once has a Canadian had to make a medical decision based on the costs of the procedure, we are just given the care whether we're rich or poor. Not one person I know of in my entire network of friends has ever died because of lack of health care.

The American health care system breeds corruption as pharmaceutical and insurance companies snuggle together to rape Americans. Why would anyone want to endure that? These people aren't looking out for your health, they are looking out for your wallets.

For anyone who hasn't seen it I suggest watching Sicko. It's available free on the net, if you look. Though I think that Michael Moore is a useless twat, he makes a good point when it comes to American health care.


If you are rich, private health care is great. If you're poor, I am sure you would much rather be on a waiting list for a free operations, rather than NEVER receiving the care you need. In Sicko, a man in the states severes 2 fingers operating a saw. The index and ring fingers, and is given the option "We'll attach the ring finger for 12000, or the index (the more important finger) for like 60000"

Even though they are identical operations, because there is money involved they rape him for more money cause 1 finger is more important than the other. In Canada, this guy would NOT have been waiting, because he was an Emergency situation, he would have been operated on right away, best of all though is that he would have had both fingers reattached, for a grand total of 72000$ cheaper than in the states. FREE.



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Thanks TheAssociate I appreciate it.........

I do think that we need to think this through more carefully.

Altho the poster below me did have some good things to say about the healthcare system in canada, the problem is that a VAST majority of people arent going to be taken care of because its not just "stiches and a sore tummy"

Case in point my father who has been fighting for cancer for the last 6 years, if we were on a nationalized sytem he most CERTAINLY would have died, he couldnt have waiting on the treatment that kind of health care provides.

Because of the great healthcare we have here, what could have easily killed him in little time , is now in regression.

What people dont seem to realize is that this is going to cause huge problems, you can tout it all you want, but the numbers against this form of health care speak for themselves. You cant blindly go into something thinking "its for the greater good"

You need to research, read the numbers and understand what is at stake.
Like ive stated before, if it was so effective, we wouldnt have so many people coming here to the United States to receive treatment.

To the poster who was talking about corruption, you are ALWAYS going to have corruption in certain sectors, we just have to deal with it as it comes, and be responsible. If you nationalize something you take the fire out of private practice people and good doctors to do what they do.

I dont agree that people should get paid rediculous amounts of money to do things, but doctors save lives, and i dont want to be treated by a doctor whose paycheck is cut and mandated by the government.

Id much rather get treated by a man who is getting paid really well , and has the motivation to save my life.

GOOD THREAD MAN STAR FOR YOU!

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Thanks TheAssociate I appreciate it.........

I do think that we need to think this through more carefully.

Altho the poster below me did have some good things to say about the healthcare system in canada, the problem is that a VAST majority of people arent going to be taken care of because its not just "stiches and a sore tummy"

Case in point my father who has been fighting for cancer for the last 6 years, if we were on a nationalized sytem he most CERTAINLY would have died, he couldnt have waiting on the treatment that kind of health care provides.

Because of the great healthcare we have here, what could have easily killed him in little time , is now in regression.

What people dont seem to realize is that this is going to cause huge problems, you can tout it all you want, but the numbers against this form of health care speak for themselves. You cant blindly go into something thinking "its for the greater good"

You need to research, read the numbers and understand what is at stake.
Like ive stated before, if it was so effective, we wouldnt have so many people coming here to the United States to receive treatment.

To the poster who was talking about corruption, you are ALWAYS going to have corruption in certain sectors, we just have to deal with it as it comes, and be responsible. If you nationalize something you take the fire out of private practice people and good doctors to do what they do.

I dont agree that people should get paid rediculous amounts of money to do things, but doctors save lives, and i dont want to be treated by a doctor whose paycheck is cut and mandated by the government.

Id much rather get treated by a man who is getting paid really well , and has the motivation to save my life.

GOOD THREAD MAN STAR FOR YOU!

Yah but your failing to see my point, far more people will die in the US because they NEVER get the care they need, rather than as some suggest some people in Canada die because they are WAITING for the care... do you see the difference?

It appears your dad has either alot of money, or great insurance (that hasn't been fraudulently canceled on him because of some unknown preexisting condition). But do you know how many Americans will die this year, becuase they CANNOT afford the care or CANNOT get insurnace? That number is exponentially larger than people who die waiting for care.

If you were to walk down a Canadian street and ask 100 people what they felt about health care, I am sure you would find over 90% approval from random strangers. I doubt the same could be said of the states.