Why Do People Do This!

reply to post by jkrog08

Hell,some hoaxers were recently charged with a misdemeanor in Mass.(I think that's the state) for the recent UFO triangle hoax.So obviously I am not the only one who feels like this.But I guess I should have expected this thread to draw out all the skeptics.

I'm not a skeptic - not a true skeptic - because I actually believe they exist

at least - I believe it's possible that they exist

but, still...you can't be serious?

there's been no crime committed here - it just annoys you

and I can't believe you really don't understand why they do it

it's not just to see that look on our stupid faces (though I'm sure that's a definite bonus)

it's the challenge - and the art

because it is art

that Haiti video - man - that was fun while it lasted

and even after - it's fun to look at

you really think these guys are interfering with how seriously this is all being taken - or getting in the way of discovering the truth?

this wondering has all been going on for years - years and years

way before serious CGI started showing up

if there's a truth in all this to be discovered - CGI isn't going to prevent anyone from discovering it

it just forces everyone to be just that much more analytical and thorough

reply to post by argentus

There is information to be learned here. People that intentionally defraud it are a thorn in the side of progress of understanding.

No... not really. You don't see this happen in the field of stem cell research, or neuropathology? What about biochemistry or particle physics? Those are perfectly viable fields of research? Why isn't fraud being perpetrated there on a mass scale the way it is with UFOs? Oh... that's right... because they have a methodology called the scientific method which helps to weed out unsubstantiated claims - and default position of doubt that remains until all other possibilities are disproven.

Frauds do happen in science... but they're generally weeded out fairly quickly, and those who perpetrate such frauds are punished - because they've ruined their good name. Nobody in their right mind would offer them tenure or grants if they know that the research being produced is subject to fraud. Even if the one providing the grant money (which should be transparent) desires a certain outcome - it won't do any good when that data is cross-referenced and accuracy checked by other labs. It is an extremely brutal process, and if your claims can't stand up to the light of inquiry or peer-review - you're not going to go anywhere. If you're shown to cheat and fudge your findings, you're career is finished.

None of this occurs in UFOology.

There is a big difference between 3D art and a purposeful hoax.

Many CGI designers make clips looking for work or practicing their talents, and others take that work, copy it onto their own youtube channels and rename it with 'REAL UFO OMFG'.

You get the occasional intentional CG hoax such as the Haiti video, the C2C drones and the Aus. UFO wave, but most of the time the poor artists are having their work hijacked by pranksters.

UFO / Alien CGI can be very cool when it is not being flogged off as genuine footage.

Manbird12000 is one of the greatest freelance CG artists on the net. His UFO work is awesome.

reply to post by argentus


To you and "Gatecrasher".....I am glad you both see my side here,its like I am in the 1500s and claiming the Earth revolves around the Sun!lol........

To everyone else........To compare Ufology,which is obviously being restricted by the PTB to other branches by saying there are no hoaxes is a fallacy.There have been hoaxes in those fields,they just aren't on the same level as these.I don't understand how you guys can seriously say it is okay to deliberately impede a legit investigation!!!??!!

Ufology isn't taught in college,no.WHY?Because the claims it makes are so huge and substantial that it has not yet got the smoking gun to prove it beyond a doubt,and won't until the PTB or the ETs expose the truth!That goes for the other statements about why Ufology doesn't have proof or is taken seriously.

Why do people refuse Ufology so much?Because it is a total and existential shock to EVERYTHING THEY KNOW.

reply to post by fooffstarr



Thank you!I agree,if it is real CGI and not said to be 'real' then (like I said) CGI is a wonderful technology that has changed movies and entertainment forever.It has opened imaginations for all and makes any movie made pre 2000 look like a 'd' movie,ll.But if it is a purposeful hoax then punishments MUST be applied.

I've already exchanged some U2Us with the OP, and i will add my humble two cents about the video in the op:
Philipe Kling David, its author, is a victim of the people who have stolen his fictional work and re-uploaded it out of contest
Here is his YouTube channel:

he clearly indicates (even at the start of each video) the link to www.mundogump.com.br... saying in the description "the truth is there": it took to me one minute, the first time i saw one of his videos, to find out the truth, and the truth is that it's a fictional, self produced work, never intended to be an hoax. Someone, every now and then, download it from his channel and re-upload it out of contest, giving to his videos crazy descriptions.
I've also invited Philipe here and he joined ATS, we had a very nice discussion with him
CGI: discussion with Philipe Kling David
His ATS profile: Philipe3d

I'm confident that after visiting his website and reading his story, many will get convinced that he's just a victim of the people who have stolen his works and tried to pass them as the real deal: he's a psychologist, illustrator, 3d artist and runs a special effects company called Portifolium: imagine some guy who cuts a part of The Independence Day, then he uploads it to Youtube claiming it to be real: would we blame Roland Emmerich if someone would take it seriously, or take the UFO phenomenon less seriously? I'm just talking about philipe's specific case,
while regarding the people who make CGI and try to pass them as the real deal, I have to say that YES, should face some real punishment because they give a bad name to the whole community, including those who put time and efforts in order to get as closer as possible to the truth, including YOU who are reading this post right now
In Italy, for example, there's a law called "procurato allarme" (we could translate it as "creation of false alarm" ):
well, the guy who took this photo
Filiberto Caponi, was charged for that, cause he claimed that there was some kinda of UFO invasion in order to add credibility to the pic, while the object in the pic turned out to be a puppet made by himself with clay (he was a clay modeler/sculptor), according to the local police. I would like to see some similar law, just up to date.
CGI can be a KILLER for ufology, it's a threat to say the very least:
so I share the concerns expressed in the OP: they are very understandable, i just wanted to share the story of Philipe, whom has no faults but keeps being blamed everywhere to be an hoaxter, while he's just a director, animator, researcher who has no money enough to make some hollywood kolossal, but he's trying to get the attention of some major by making and sharing his fictional work on HIS OWN website
In my humble opinion, who makes an hoax and tries to pass it as real should be somehow punished, of course those who make money by selling dvd containing a load of crap:
for example, one who produces a DVD knowing that its contents are hoaxes, shouldn't be allowed to sell DVD anymore, should be banned from the market and end of story, while the present scenario shows many people PROVEN to have endorsed blatant hoaxes, and aware tey were hoaxes, still selling DVDs and still being believed, and this is unacceptable.
While those who make their ten seconds CGI, are not a serious threat in my opinion: a video with no story, no witnesses, no real names, no media coverage... will go nowhere. We can protect ourselves by increasing our skills in identifying hoaxes, posing questions over questions, researching, studing the best cases and sharing them. There are so many interesting and unexplained cases out there: has yet to born the attention seeker able to dowsize their importance with a crappy ten seconds CGI.
While the artists like Chris Oakley, Kris Avery, David Nicolas, manbird12000 could be very helpfull because they show what can be done with the last software. Thanks for the OP and for the other posts.



[edit on 1/5/2009 by internos]

Originally posted by jkrog08

Why do people refuse Ufology so much?Because it is a total and existential shock to EVERYTHING THEY KNOW.

Simple fact until proven otherwise, is that it is considered fairytales. I see no other subject being taken seriously until it can be validated through science testing and such.

reply to post by jkrog08


you really want to punish someone - don't you?

:-)

first - you'd have to get someone to take the research seriously - as seriously as a crime investigation

and by someone - I mean everybody

including the government - the BIG everybody

then it would be the same as interfering with a crime investigation - and you would get to punish someone

in the meantime - enjoy the show and keep watching - I'm sure if it's out there - it will turn up for reals - eventually

the cartoons aren't going to prevent it from happening