The True Epidemic Approaching: Mass Tamiflu Poisoning

I don't see this as a worry, at least not in the way you present it.

As far as Tamiflu goes, they have divided us into 2 camps, those who trust the media hype and supposed need, and those like us that distrust the drug.

Allow me to rephrase; they have divided those who mistrust the government, those who see through the BS, from those who will follow the MSM.

Which of these is their enemy? Which of these will willingly herd themselves into the FEMA camps?

Perhaps this mistrust through our ranks is meant as the distraction. Perhaps this IS the final play, or at least a test run.

Maybe the pill will keep those who are Followers of MSM will survive to be herded another day, while the distrustful 'dissidents' will be 'removed' by their mistrust.

Just food for thought.


Edit: To add, this event would also work to further prove the point of those in power to the followers, solidifying their faith, and control.

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For the record. SJS where the skin basically falls off, it's also caused by taking ibuprofen. It's not common but it does happen.

Most of those side effects are the same as those from anything from Aspirin to Tums to Advil.

Exactly right. Star of Anise or any other herb if used with knowledge and moderation works wonders.

Nature has provided us with everything we need without processing it.

Only reasons for processing anything is to patent it and make money off of the product.

We have become brainwashed by the media, TV, over the years and have lost the art of connecting with nature itself and knowledge that was handed down from generation to generation.

We react for the most part instead of educating ourselves with knowledge.


Again the power of herbs, plants, essential oils is extremely powerful with the proper education, but most people want a Doctor or an Authority to tell them what to take. Fear and Ignorance are easily led.

Originally posted by sweetpeanc

I can't address the other issues about Tamiflu, but the FDA warning about star anise was issued because there are two plants that produce the pods. Chinese star anise is perfectly safe while Japanese star anise can make you very sick. As the article you linked to stated, the Chinese star anise is GRAS, or generally recognized as safe by the FDA. If you buy star anise from a reputable spice company, you can be fairly certain that is safe for you. I've got some at my house right now so I can make the star anise tea if I get sick.

Just wanted to clarify that so people aren't afraid to use star anise.

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This is my first post on ats and have been reading on these forums for the past two years. My interest is in this field and I have my own seperate opinions on the matter. From my understanding, the "I would rather be dead" adverse reactions are usually VERY rare. Meaning that If you have ever taken an ibuprofen and nothing serious happen, then you most likely can take ibuprofen until you die without EVER seeing any adverse reactions or any life threatening problems. On the other hand, there is certain people that do take an ibuprofen and the next day their skin was rotting off. Its almost like a person has to be the right key to fit in the key hole for the adverse reaction to "start" up. You have to the that 1 in a million and as far as pharmacutical companies are concerned, 1 out of a million is a big green check mark on the paper authorizing the production of the drug.

but, as far as ole Donald R. buying stocks up in tamiflu, the fema camps, predictions of tamiflus revenues going up a year before this "swine" epidemic. I smell something nasty cooking in the air


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yes, so?

get relenza instead.


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Yes reugen, Wikipedia and WHO are great sources to cite. One is written by anonymous yahoos on the 'Net and the other is one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet.

Keep lining up for your shots, the people with independent thought will continue to eat a proper diet optimizing their immune systems the way we were intended to. Eliminating bad sugars does a body good.

yeah i think im going to just stay with my swine flue at least it dosnt make my skin fall off

I've taken Tami flu a hundred times

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I've seen people go mildly jaundice over paracetamol. The pharmaceutical industry very frequently intoxicates it's clients. This is to be expected, most parasites are capable of killing the hosts.

Even Aspirin can be taken naturally from plants without the side effect of stomach ulcers. Nature always has a better way, it's only human hubris that makes us think we know best. And, as a civilization, we pay a huge price for it, which the corportate psychopathocracy attempts to keep from public discussion, lest us not realise how far gone we really are when it comes to healthcare.

As one poster wisely said, don't react, educate yourself. I would add that you should educate yourself with a focus on the natural cures available in your region and also energy healing if good people are present to teach it.

1976 Flu scare - 1 died, 30 died from vaccinations. Big media circus/scare tactics. Advisor to the president was? (Starter for ten...)

1988-2001 Member of the Board Of Directors (later CEO) of Gilead - owners of Tamiflu? (His stock is apparently worth anywhere between $5M and $25M)

2004 Avian Flu. Causes the government to make sure that there's a good flu drug available - worldwide. They suggest Tamiflu as the be all and end all of flu drugs. Advisor to the president?

2005 stockpiling of flu drug - mostly Tamilfu. Advisor to the president was? (bonus round)

2008 Tamiflu predicts 531% profits due to flu pandemic. Advisor (behind closed doors, 'cos he'd already been 'publicly' thrown under the bus - but those PNAC guys stick together, don't they?) to the president?

2009 "sudden" flu pandemic scare!!!! Big media circus. Major shareholder in Tamiflu is?

Ol' Donny. Good ol' Donny.


I have a new game for you. Turn on the TV (especially the stations with largely female or older demographics - they show more drug commercials). When a drug commercial comes on, start your timer. If you can actually work out what the drug is for, you get bonus points.
Now, with the timer running see how long they promote how fabulous the drug is. As soon as they change to the side-effects list time that section. I've found that usually a one minute advert will be approx. 20 seconds or less of benefits, and at least thirty to forty seconds are adverse side-effects.
Funny how they spend all that money on advertising, then spend more than half the advert telling you how dangerous it could be for you!

Way to compare apples to oranges to stir up the fear pot. Comparing the Chinese Anise to the Japanese Anise plant is like comparing Portabello Mushrooms to Death Caps. This thread creates as much ignorance as it denies. No you can't trust the MSM but you can't trust random sources either. Critical thinking is called for.

Personally I am getting a kick out of the fear mongering and all of the slavering idiots following right along with it. "WORLD WIDE PANDEMIC!!!!! EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!!! After a week of main stream coverage we have seen what, maybe 350 total confirmed cases? With population density and the rate of travel a pandemic should be producing much higher numbers shouldn't it? According to everything thing I am reading the first case was at the end of May. Hmmm so 10.5 cases a day average and we need to close down everything and go into panic mode. Then we get threads like this adding to the ignorance and hype.

When the media screams dont panic everyone panics cause they thin what has the media got to hide. Its the oldest media trick on the book and dont fall for it.

A little education on the intelligence of the body and the immune system below and how your body can fight it with the help of nature I ask that you read the full webpage to understand the body as an intelligent system as a whole:
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The link dont seem to be working so google "INTELLIGENT ENERGY A god hypotheisis by Dr. Simon King"

THE INTELLIGENT IMMUNE SYSTEM In the living body, protection against invading microbial organisms and other foreign intruders is provided by the body’s immune system. This consists of an assorted variety of white blood cells and other cells from diverse origins within the body. These cells are identified as phagocytes, macrophages, and lymphocytes (helper-T cells, killer T-cells, suppresser-T cells, B-cells). Some of these cells circulate in the blood while others mass together in places like the bone marrow, spleen and lymph nodes. Under normal conditions, they appear to exist in a passive state, either lounging away in various sites within the body, or riding along aimlessly with the flow of the bloodstream. However, when foreign organisms invade the body, the picture changes. From one of languid indifference, the entire immune system springs to life. The first troops to be alerted and rushed to the site of invasion are certain white blood cells. These become converted into active forms called phagocytes. The phagocytes relentlessly seek out, destroy and consume the enemy along with other debris resulting from the foray. It is fascinating to watch one of these scavenging phagocytes at work through a microscope. The scavenger locates the presence of the invader, throws out a limb of its body called a pseudopod in the direction of the invader, then engulfs and destroys it like the alien blob does in a sci-fi movie flick. It then switches direction and methodically continues in its search-and-destroy mission, appearing so lifelike in intent and purpose. There is a large and specialised variety of phagocyte called a macrophage. When a macrophage engulfs a virus, it gobbles it up but saves a piece of the meal for display outside its cell-surface. This is not intended as a victory trophy display. (The immune system has no time for frivolity.) This, in fact, is a deliberate tagging action that puts a label on the identity of the virus. The piece on display contains the antigenic blueprints of the virus. The immune system has an intelligence-network of helper-T cells that circulate throughout the body. As they pass by the macrophage, they examine the antigenic display on its surface. If one of them recognises the blueprint on the label, it reacts by sending out an urgent message to groups of killer T-cells. The message describes the antigenic identity of the enemy. Upon receiving this message, specific killer T-cells that are selectively lethal to the virus are then aroused and conscripted for battle. They rapidly multiply and join into the foray, attacking the diseased cells containing the viruses. Meanwhile, the same helper T-cells rush to the spleen and lymph nodes to alert another group of defenders called B-cells. Activated, these B-cells quickly multiply and manufacture large quantities of munitions called antibodies. These antibodies then flood the body and lock onto the invading viruses. This has a twofold action upon the virus: First, it slows the virus down, making it more vulnerable to attack by phagocytes: Second, it opens up a doorway in the virus through which a deadly poison from the blood called ‘complement’ can gain entry into and destroy the virus. Gradually, as the fight gains momentum, the enemy becomes contained or is eliminated. Mobilisation of the army is no longer required. At this stage suppresser T-cells come into play. They act as

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In 1960 Dr. DC Jarvis wrote a best selling paper-back that warned the way we are feeding our animals and fertilizing our foods is changing the PH of our blood from slightly acid to alkaline. Viruses cannot thrive in the acid blood, but thrive in alkaline.

He prescribed: 2 teaspoons of apple cider vinegar mixed with 2 teaspoons of honey; then add one glass of water and sip during 3 meals or between. Tastes a bit like Sprite, you can adjust the dose. It quickly regulates the blood. The honey is also slightly acid and you cannot over-use acids in your system. They even end acid indigestion.

His paperback books are still available at Amazon
The book is: ARTHRITIS AND FOLK MEDICINE
Another of his books is: FOLK MEDICINE in which he also shows that our bodies are craving the acid; that we why we drink so much cola and alcohol. One patients craving was quickly stopped by a treatment of 3 doses of 6 teaspoons of honey 20 minutes apart over a day and a half or so, patient ended craving for alcohol. Page 185, "Appendix C"

I noticed the comment: "During a 10 step process which takes a year to complete and involves some fairly precarious high explosive work, Shikimic acid is extracted from the plant and serves as the active ingredient in Tamiflu. "
THEY ARE INTRODUCING AN ACID, BUT FROM A BAD SOURCE.

Children and animals naturally crave the acid taste (sweet tarts, pickles etc.) He described diseases in animals that resemble bird flu and mad cow disease, and told how to deal with it.
Tha apple cider vinegar also worked well on people and animals that are hyper or aggressive, even a mad bull. That means that what Tamiflu makes worse at $100 a dose can be eliminated and avoided with apple cider vinegar and honey. If you are suffering from different ailments, this inexpensive books would have inexpensive remedies you might want to try.

I try to turn people from the employment lifestyle to the garden paradise lifestyle. It solves world problems created by the employment lifestyle including healing our bodies. Divine-Way.com

MarieDevine you got acid and alkaline the wrong way around. Bacteria and viruses cannot survive in an alkaline environment. Apple cidar vinegar turns alkaline in the body. I suggest the book green for life by Victoria Boutenko.
We have an over acidic diet not alkaline. There are many subjects supporting an alkaline enviroment provided by fruit's and veggies to ward of cancer. Can you please correct your statement so it does not confuse.
www.benefits-of-honey.com...

www.cleansing-raw-food-diet.com...

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The body's immune system can be supressed when we fear. The media has done this so many times which infact can make people get sick easier. Everybody know's that when you are happy and positive the body responds with great health and less stress. So this gives the idea how destructive fear is to the body which leads to anxiety attacks in many sufferer's. Fear has always been used on the people by the power's that be to get what they want, This si why we need to come from a place of love and positive thoughts and your immune system can respond to that. We need to nurture the mind, body and system. In order for the body as an intelligence system intself it needs ot be nourished form all angles. I would put in my body only that which grows in nature and supports my body mainly fruit and veggies, to support the health of the mind i will bring love into myself and be around positive and happy situations and in order to nourish my spirit all the above.
Intelligent body by Deepak Chopra

Intelligent Body Deepak Chopra writes in his book "Power, Freedom and Grace": Our body is constantly changing, it is constantly exchanging energy and information with the universe. The body makes a new stomach lining every 5 days, a new skin once every month, a new liver every 6 weeks and a new skeleton every 3 months. The body replaces 98% of all its atoms in less than 1 year. Even our DNA wasn’t the same 6 weeks ago. Our thoughts, feelings and emotions become the molecules of the body. I know that how I speak to myself actually causes things to change in my physiology, in my world. Stomach cells, heart cells, and other cells generate the same chemicals that the brain makes when it thinks. So we have a thinking body. When we’re feeling tranquil, our body is making a tranquiliser. When we’re feeling anxious, our body is making jittery molecules, and they’re not just made in the adrenals; they’re made everywhere in the body. When we’re feeling exhilarated, our body is making immunomodulators that act as powerful anti-cancer drugs. The immune system is a circulating nervous system; it’s intelligent and it’s moving around the body. It knows our every thought, feeling or desire, it’s actually eavesdropping on our internal dialogue. When we’re thinking, dreaming or just having the vaguest impulse of intelligence in our awareness, the immune cells are listening and making the same chemicals the brain makes when it thinks. The immune cells are conscious little beings with their own notions, their own intelligence, their own emotions. Anything that happens in the body is a faint desire, and the less you worry about the mechanics of it, the more efficient it is. The body knows what to do, all that is required is attention and non-interference. The moment you start worrying about the mechanics of it, it loses its efficiency and interferes with the flow of innate intelligence. No matter what the desire, we don’t want to interfere with it. To interfere means to produce an unwanted result, and the way we interfere with the manifestation of desire is by trying too hard, by using too much effort. We interfere when we doubt, when we listen to others’ opinions, when we get lost in our own attachment to the result, instead of just being and having the notion, the desire. To use the power of our desires effectively, we have to relinquish our attachment to the outcome. Attachment is a form of fear, doubt, and worry, and this constricts the flow of nature’s intelligence. When we have desire, we know what our intention is, and we just let go, trusting. There’s no concern about the outcome; we just release our desire from our heart, and let it flow through us.

www.awakenbreath.com...

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So the topic of this thread is "Medicine can have side effects."

Sorry, but that's all I'm getting here.

Well sure, if you're oh so slight of mind you might dismiss the facts of mine...

asking what's the relevance?

Every drug has side effects
even those which do not benefit

I suppose that is the purpose of this thread
and those who fail to realize that

well

nothing more need be said.

Cheers.

Originally posted by reugenPlease, vaccines saves millions of lives every year, vaccines eradicated smallpox for example. n.b i dont know anything about Tamiflu or Relenza but i rather trust the medical system on this one. If this is a really serious outbreak, which WHO, CDC, ECDC thinks it is, it would be irresponsible to refuse treatment.

Uh oh, here we go with the Pharma PR brainwashed response

Can you prove that vaccines eradicated smallpox? No you can't. It's a myth.

You follow the instructions from the guys you think are there to protect you and continue to trust the western world's number ONE cause of DEATH, whilst us rather more informed individuals will keep our distance and 'just say no' to their toxic cocktail injections. Good luck.

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Originally posted by Realtruth
We have become brainwashed by the media, TV, over the years and have lost the art of connecting with nature itself and knowledge that was handed down from generation to generation.

We react for the most part instead of educating ourselves with knowledge.


Again the power of herbs, plants, essential oils is extremely powerful with the proper education, but most people want a Doctor or an Authority to tell them what to take. Fear and Ignorance are easily led.

And that's the RealTruth

For those that are unsure, and wouldn't know where to get hold of 'exotic' herbs and plants at short notice here's a 100% guaranteed, tried and tested solution: Locally Grown Raw Organic Garlic.

As far as I'm aware, there's not a virus, bacteria or fungus, which is harmful to the body, that garlic can't protect you from, as long as you eat enough of it.

Yeah your breath will stink, but not as much as it's going to stink as you rot to death from consuming the overpriced toxic sludge from Pharma.

Oh, and you can use it topically too for skin problems, infections, gangrene etc etc etc

To Hell with Tamiflu. There's no way I'm gonna take it.

I haven't been sick in a few years and I credit it to my daily dose of Orange Juice. No joke.

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