The CIA's $1K a Day Specialists on Interrogations

The CIA's $1K a Day Specialists on Interrogations

abcnews.go.com

Former U.S. officials say the two men were essentially the architects of the CIA's 10-step interrogation plan that culminated in waterboarding.
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Both Mitchell and Jessen were previously involved in the U.S. military program to train pilots how to survive behind enemy lines and resist brutal tactics if captured.

But it turns out neither Mitchell nor Jessen had any experience in conducting actual interrogations before the CIA hired them.

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Related AboveTopSecret.com Discussion Threads:
No Charges Against CIA Officials For Waterboarding
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Waterboard TORTURE on Video (must watch)

... article goes on to note

"The use of these tactics tends to increase resistance on the part of the detainee to cooperating with us. So they have the exact opposite effect of what you want," said Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich).

The new memos also show waterboarding was used "with far greater frequency than initially indicated" to even those in the CIA.

Abu Zubaydah was water boarded at least 83 times and Khalid Sheikh Mohamed at least 183 times.

Makes me seriously question if incompetence is part of the overall goal/strategy in achieving their objectives... it gave the military/government a plethora of excuses for 911 and katrina... so why not use the same tactics for everything since. Anyone else here but me noticing a pattern?

You can always have your key suspects/witnesses/contractors say that they have signed a non-disclosure agreement

Also makes you wonder what other psychologists are on the payroll, actively assisting the government in conning us.

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[edit on 30-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]

reply to post by The All Seeing I


Talk about incompetance!

ABC signed the death warrant for these guys. Carl Levin HATES America and thinks if we gave them ice cream we had to mak sure it was not to cold so they did not get brain freeze.

Answer one question... If Abu Zubadyia knew where your family was would you "Torture him?"

If waterboarding was such bad way of getting information why doesn't the Obama administration release all the various info gained from such said interrogations? Everyone makes it sound as if there were other ways of getting such info...... lets put the results of the waterboarding on the table for all of us to see and then we all can judge if it was effective?

I think it's telling that they haven't done so. We must have got some good intel from those interrogations.

reply to post by crmanager


For 8+ years Bush & Co have proven to be liars/exaggerators/fabricators over and over again... and yet you still believe in the little boy who cried wolf?

You need to read The truth about Abu Zubaydah

reply to post by pavil


"effective?" ... well yes lets look at the results ... hmmm zero

gee golly i wonder why ... maybe because the whole damn story was made up?

Your blind faith in this government enables and emboldens them to continue to commit these crimes in an effort to support the "Official Story".

[edit on 30-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]

...and i think you both need to hear what Hitchens has to say about the experience... then consider what could possibly be gained by 80+ sessions... lets not be naive.

note he has two outs

... and for those who are fuzzy on what constitutes a crime in this regard, Olbermann nails it:

So in an effort to gain clarity of the bigger picture here... to put a name on this position/relationship, i stumbled across wikipedia's definition for psyops:

Psychological Operations (PSYOP, PSYOPS) are techniques used by military, police and religious groups to influence a target audience's value systems, belief systems, emotions, motives, reasoning, and behavior.

Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals, and are used in order to induce confessions, or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator's objectives. These are sometimes combined with black operations or false flag tactics.

This concept has been used by military institutions throughout history, but it is only since the twentieth century that it has been accorded the organizational and professional status it enjoys now.

The word is commonly used by governments who do not wish to use the term propaganda or brainwashing to refer to their own work. The word propaganda has very negative connotations, and by calling it psychological operations instead, more sophisticated methods of psychological manipulation are accurately incorporated by the terminology. This euphemism for mind control is ironically an example of psychological operations -- i.e. using psychological techniques to persuade [manipulate] a large number of people to support something that they wouldn't normally support

Which had me thinking... the ulterior motive here is to turn captives into suicide bombers.

Knowing that the US & Israeli governments are in bed with one another and eat from the same kitchen, this is likely a trade secret ripped from the pages of the Mossad's cooking book.

[edit on 1-5-2009 by The All Seeing I]

Democracy Now's Amy Goodman on Mitchell and Jessen,
interviewing three investigative journalists who have combed through their backgrounds.





Why would these two need 120 employees? What other classified projects are they working on for the government?

Now i'm left with the conclusion that the main goal of the CIA was to elicit false confessions. Throwing big money at Mitchell and Jessen bought them "credibility" and an escape goat in the event TSHF.

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A U.S. soldier supervises the waterboarding of a captured North Vietnamese soldier. NPR

Do i detect a smirk/smile on one of these soldiers face? Looks like a frat party initiation ritual... especially with the cigarette in hand. So what do you do when the government offers you $1000 a day to lend your credentials to this? If you don't take the money, someone else will... right? Besides aren't all of these guys are evil?



[edit on 25-5-2009 by The All Seeing I]

Besides... it's not like we haven't done this before. On the cover of LIFE, now how can you go wrong?

LIFE Magazine cover from 1902 depicting US Army waterboarding of a
Cuban insurgent during the Spanish - Cuban - American war, 1898-1902.

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Caption: [Chorus in Background] :
THOSE PIOUS YANKEES CAN’T THROW STONES AT US ANY MORE.
Bucket is marked: U.S.ARMY


[edit on 25-5-2009 by The All Seeing I]

Originally posted by crmanager
reply to post by The All Seeing I

 

Talk about incompetance!

ABC signed the death warrant for these guys. Carl Levin HATES America and thinks if we gave them ice cream we had to mak sure it was not to cold so they did not get brain freeze.

Answer one question... If Abu Zubadyia knew where your family was would you "Torture him?"

You are mixing individual motives with that of a nation. That is apples to oranges.


And the one who exposes you as a criminal is not the guilty party.... the ones who actually did the actions are the ones who are responsible, and if exposing that places them in harms way, well then they should have thought about that prior. It's called natural checks and balances. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.