Swine Flu Isnt A Weaponized Bio Weapon!, page 1
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Topic started on 30-4-2009 @ 07:21 PM by tide88
I cant believe people keep on saying that this strain of flu is man made and is some sort of plan to depopulate the world.

First off, the people behind it wouldnt be protected themselves. A flu virus easily mutates, so even if they had a vaccine or cure there is no telling if the virus was going to mutate and make those vaccines useless.

Second, there has been a history of Viruses that have killed off large amounts of the population dating back to 430 BC. One was called the Peloponnesian Plague and it killed 35000. Or how about the Justinian Plague that killed anywhere from 25-100 million people in 542 BC. Here is a list of other plague and virus outbreaks thoughout the history of the world.
A history of virus

Third this particular mixture of strain was theorized back in 1999.
Pigs can be infected with both human and avian influenza viruses in addition to swine influenza viruses. Infected pigs get symptoms similar to humans, such as cough, fever, and runny nose. Because pigs are susceptible to avian, human and swine influenza viruses, they potentially may be infected with influenza viruses from different species (e.g., ducks and humans) at the same time.[citation needed] If this happens, it is possible for the genes of these viruses to mix and create a new virus.

For example, if a pig were infected with a human influenza virus and an avian influenza virus at the same time, an antigenic shift could occur, producing a new virus that had most of the genes from the human virus, but a hemagglutinin or neuraminidase from the avian virus. The resulting new virus would likely be able to infect humans and spread from person to person, but it would have surface proteins (hemagglutinin and/or neuraminidase) not previously seen in influenza viruses that infect humans, and therefore to which most people have little or no immune protection. If this new virus causes illness in people and can be transmitted easily from person to person, an influenza pandemic can occur


source

So in summary:

1. Why weaponize something you yourself wouldnt be protected from?

2. What about all those other pandemics? Were they man made too? If not, why are so many people so sure this one is?

3. Nobody on this board predicted anything. I dont care how many trucker transporting avian flu, Baxter Pharma mixing avian flu and human flu, etc.. threads there are. Scientists for the past 20 years have been saying we are long overdue for a pandemic. It was bound to happen at some point and is purely the doing of mother nature.


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 07:39 PM by watchtheashes
reply to post by Wehali



When does money and commerce become more important than human lives? It doesn't really matter if it is man made or not, but come on!


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 07:44 PM by Wehali
Originally posted by watchtheashes
reply to
post by Wehali



When does money and commerce become more important than human lives? It doesn't really matter if it is man made or not, but come on!


Like I said, countless viruses cause many more deaths every year than
this one.. and they aren't called a pandemic catastrophe. Why on earth
would they call this mini flu a pandemic? 150 people is really nothing..
that's the amount of people America murders in a single bombardment
of yet another Arab wedding or funeral. "Oh noes, we thought it was a
gathering of terrorists!" Yeah right!

When ten thousands of people start dying rapidly to the same virus, then
I will call it a pandemic.


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 07:53 PM by 27jd
reply to post by tide88



Who knows, but until they cough up some sick animals, I'm going to be suspicious. Here's a good article that was posted on another thread...'

Where did This Mysterious New Animal-Human Flu Strain Come From?

Alongside the fear-mongering headlines, I've also seen increasing numbers of reports questioning the true nature of this virus. And rightfully so.

Could a mixed animal-human mutant like this occur naturally? And if not, who made it, and how was it released?

Not one to dabble too deep in conspiracy theories, I don't have to strain very hard to find actual facts to support the notion that this may not be a natural mutation, and that those who stand to gain have the wherewithal to pull off such a stunt.

Just last month I reported on the story that the American pharmaceutical company Baxter was under investigation for distributing the deadly avian flu virus to 18 different countries as part of a seasonal flu vaccine shipment. Czech reporters were probing to see if it may have been part of a deliberate attempt to start a pandemic; as such a "mistake" would be virtually impossible under the security protocols of that virus.

The H5N1 virus on its own is not very airborne. However, when combined with seasonal flu viruses, which are more easily spread, the effect could be a potent, airborne, deadly, biological weapon. If this batch of live bird flu and seasonal flu viruses had reached the public, it could have resulted in dire consequences.

There is a name for this mixing of viruses; it's called "reassortment," and it is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created in the lab. Some scientists say the most recent global outbreak -- the 1977 Russian flu -- was started by a virus created and leaked from a laboratory.

Another example of the less sterling integrity of Big Pharma is the case of Bayer, who sold millions of dollars worth of an injectable blood-clotting medicine to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid-1980s, even though they knew it was tainted with the AIDS virus.

So while it is morally unthinkable that a drug company would knowingly contaminate flu vaccines with a deadly flu virus such as the bird- or swine flu, it is certainly not impossible. It has already happened more than once.
articles.mercola.com...



reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 08:00 PM by tide88
reply to post by 27jd



Thats understandable. But it is a natural process that is called Antigenic shift.
Antigenic shift is the process by which at least two different strains of a virus, (or different viruses), especially influenza, combine to form a new subtype having a mixture of the surface antigens of the two original strains. The term antigenic shift is more often applied specifically, (but is not limited) to the influenza literature, as it is the best known example (e.g. visna virus in sheep[1]). Antigenetic shift is a specific case of reassortment or viral shift that confers a phenotypic change.
antigenic shift

One question for you though. What happens if this virus doesnt kill anymore then the regular flu does or disappears in a couple of week? Are you still suspicious If it was man made and they wanted to kill people off they sure would have tested it to make sure it would work. Right?

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