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Chemtrail believers, I challenge you to debunk contrail science

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posted on May, 2 2009 @ 06:43 PM
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munkey....umm, someone gave you a 'star' for that?

Last time I looked at a map the entire Country of Australia is in the Southern Hemisphere (or, did it move overnight?)

Nevermind...the latitude you are at, whether in the Northern Hemisphere ('above' the Equator) or below contrails are contrails. Period.




posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
1. Explain how hot exhaust can not create ice crystals, in a supercooled environment


The real chem-trail airplanes which release high altitude chemicals into the air have infused the chemicals with high efficiency anti-freeze technology which only freezes at temperatures near absolute zero. This is very advanced secret technology, and the proof is in the pudding!

After all, if this secret technology didn't exist, then how could the real chemtrails NOT freeze?

The "Con-Trails' that we see from these chemtrial planes are just that: CON-trails. They are using them to CON people into believing that it is a normal event.

They are using your own years and years of meteorological education against you and other experts because they know you'll be their tool to inform the rest of us that "nothing strange is happening"

Face it, Oz! You have to be uneducated (un-INDOCTRINATED) in the "science" of "weather" to even understand it.

You're just too smart for your own good.



2. Explain how contrails will not form a cloud layer


With proper timing and chemical makeup, the contrials can be engineered to disperse and varying frequencies, often dependent on the type of chemtrial being deployed over the population.




3. Explain why contrails will not persist


They only persist as long as it takes their partner chemtrials to reach the destination on the ground. All of this is precalculated before the chemtrial flight.



1. If the government allegedly are spraying nasties at such a height, why would they not do something easier like poisioning a drinking water supply?


Because many conspiracy theorists and health advocates don't drink tap water. Chemtrails kill two birds with one stone - the normal sheeple AND the conspiracy nut. Also it is important the the chemicals effect vegetation, animals, and birds.



2. Explain how something being sprayed at such a height, defies all logic (and winds), and somehow reaches the ground below where it is originally released from?


Chemtrial planes guide the particles over specific land areas by emitting electromagnetic wave guides which guide the particles downward and virtually nullify any effects that the wind would have otherwise. Also, some people believe that the chemtrial partner-particles are magnetized or otherwise attracted to the ground below, perhaps due to electromagnetic interaction between the particles and the power grid.



3. Some chemtrail websites claim that the phenomenen has been occuring since the nineties. Explain why persistent contrails exist in pictures since from before 1920, and why contrail science existed far before the chemtrail theory was even thought of?


Because Chemtrials are hidden within the phenomenon of contrails. If we suddenly had odd trials in the sky without a scientific "reason" for them, then more people would get suspicious. Since there is already an explanation for what we see in the sky, the majority of the people will write it off.



4. Explain why almost every meteorologist in the world knows nothing about upper atmosphere, and the population of chemtrail believers (including rense cliff carnicom and david icke), is more knowlegeble on meteorology than those trained in the science.


Because of your meteorological education, you are not open to new ideas. You already think you know everything about the weather as it is.

I take it you haven't done any theoretical meteorological work? You just leave that up to the smart people - the physicists and the conspiracy theorists.



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 01:38 PM
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First of all, thankyou for being the first to respond to the questions i put in the opening post



Originally posted by logician magician
The real chem-trail airplanes which release high altitude chemicals into the air have infused the chemicals with high efficiency anti-freeze technology which only freezes at temperatures near absolute zero. This is very advanced secret technology, and the proof is in the pudding!


If the proof is in the pudding.....wher is the pudding? Simply stating that this technology exists, without evidence or even a methodology does not mean its fact.



They are using your own years and years of meteorological education against you and other experts because they know you'll be their tool to inform the rest of us that "nothing strange is happening"

Face it, Oz! You have to be uneducated (un-INDOCTRINATED) in the "science" of "weather" to even understand it.

You're just too smart for your own good.


Okay, so the last few hundreds of years of chemistry, physics and meteorology are also incorrect? Its not just meteorological science, its also other areas, which makes an awful lot of scientists being involved in the coverup.

Also, are you saying that intelligent people are too "stupid" to understand conpsiracy theories? How can a lack of understanding on a subject be an indicator that you know more about that given subject...its doesnt make sense




With proper timing and chemical makeup, the contrials can be engineered to disperse and varying frequencies, often dependent on the type of chemtrial being deployed over the population.


Please elaborate on this




They only persist as long as it takes their partner chemtrials to reach the destination on the ground. All of this is precalculated before the chemtrial flight.


Then how can you tell the difference? This also doesnt make sense. If it were that sinmple, then the public wouldn't even have the slightest idea that anything was going on



Because many conspiracy theorists and health advocates don't drink tap water. Chemtrails kill two birds with one stone - the normal sheeple AND the conspiracy nut. Also it is important the the chemicals effect vegetation, animals, and birds.


Ok, fair point, then why not just taint bottled water supplies and other food sources. Still a much easy, effective, not to mention cost effective way to achieve a sinister goal



Chemtrial planes guide the particles over specific land areas by emitting electromagnetic wave guides which guide the particles downward and virtually nullify any effects that the wind would have otherwise. Also, some people believe that the chemtrial partner-particles are magnetized or otherwise attracted to the ground below, perhaps due to electromagnetic interaction between the particles and the power grid.


Oh, this just keeps getting more far out, lol

I will admit Im not the best on electromagnetism. Maybe you could elaborate or maybe someone else knows something about this topic



Because Chemtrials are hidden within the phenomenon of contrails. If we suddenly had odd trials in the sky without a scientific "reason" for them, then more people would get suspicious. Since there is already an explanation for what we see in the sky, the majority of the people will write it off.


But wasnt it chemtrail advocates that proclaimed there were no trails of any kind before the nineties? Contrails have been doing the same thing for many years now, the only reason they are more noticeable is due to the exponential growth of air travel.



Because of your meteorological education, you are not open to new ideas. You already think you know everything about the weather as it is.

I take it you haven't done any theoretical meteorological work? You just leave that up to the smart people - the physicists and the conspiracy theorists.


Im always open to new ideas, as long as there is plausibility. All you need to do is check out my post and thread history. Most of you assume Im a skeptic when Im actually not.

And yes I have had to do theoretical meteorology work, its part of training. You cant actually learn anything about the weather unless you do some theory and study it. The theories actually prove the observations that we view, so meteorology is a science, not an idea.



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 03:01 PM
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Oz, I hate to say this, but logician is simply baiting you while making fun of the entire thing at the same time.

I think in essence, he is saying "the chem-trail" believers will always believe no matter how solidified the science is to explain it away.

That, said, do you people who are attempting to prove your "chem-trail" theory even have the slightest idea about how violent and often unstable the stratosphere or the mesosphere or the troposphere (which by the way is the area where the vast majority of weather here on the ground takes place in) or the thermosphere can be?

Do you perhaps have any cognizance of how the Easterlies or the Westerlies affect your day to day weather?

Have you any idea how the semi-permanent pressure regions affect your day to day weather?

Have you paid any attention to how the converging or the diverging of the jet stream affects minute by minute, day by day variability in what you see in the sky?

Have you ever studied how high tropospheric clouds versus mid-altitude clouds versus low-altitude clouds act differently and the science behind it?

Have you ever done any serious mountain climbing (ie., above treeline) where the mountain makes it's OWN weather? If so, have you ever wondered why but just dont know?


If you answered no to most of these questions, then quite frankly, you are nowhere NEAR in any position to intelligently discuss why it is that "zomg chem-trails are FACT and you're a moron if you think otherwise". There is some serious science behind why it all happens and how. The Alex Jone's, and FARKS, and Rense's and Dredge's of the world will NEVER be able to fully explain that to you until you're properly educated on why these things first could NOT be what you claim before you can even begin to profess that they do.


AB1



posted on May, 3 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
First of all, thankyou for being the first to respond to the questions i put in the opening post


No problem




If the proof is in the pudding.....wher is the pudding? Simply stating that this technology exists, without evidence or even a methodology does not mean its fact.


Likewise, simply stating that the technology does not exist, without evidence, does not mean it isn't fact.



Okay, so the last few hundreds of years of chemistry, physics and meteorology are also incorrect? Its not just meteorological science, its also other areas, which makes an awful lot of scientists being involved in the coverup.

Also, are you saying that intelligent people are too "stupid" to understand conpsiracy theories? How can a lack of understanding on a subject be an indicator that you know more about that given subject...its doesnt make sense

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Please elaborate on this


I never said anything about the last hundreds of years of chemistry, etc... are incorrect. I'm saying that the last 100 years of chemistry ARE correct and that they've enabled chemical and physical engineers to design inert artificial compounds which can partner up with active compounds, which can be actively guided to specific places on the surface of the earth, relating to various factors such as electromagnetic presence, wind conditions, and other forms of electromagnetically guided chemical dispersions.

I don't know how they are doing it, but they obviously ARE doing it. Perhaps they do something like aim an EM beam toward the area which they want to particles to fall on, and this neutralizes any effect that the wind would have because the particles are attracted to the wave guide.




Then how can you tell the difference? This also doesnt make sense. If it were that sinmple, then the public wouldn't even have the slightest idea that anything was going on


Well, does the public have the slightest clue that something is going on?

You are the public aren't you? You see to not have the slightest clue that something is going on.

A group of conspiracy theorists who have noticed this does not really constitute a public.




Ok, fair point, then why not just taint bottled water supplies and other food sources. Still a much easy, effective, not to mention cost effective way to achieve a sinister goal


It would cost a lot more money, and require more resources. They'd have to assign personnel to infiltrate all the beverage producing plants around the country, and even still not everyone drinks bottled beverages.

Not everyone drinks tap water either....

... but nearly everyone goes outside and breathes air.





Oh, this just keeps getting more far out, lol

I will admit Im not the best on electromagnetism. Maybe you could elaborate or maybe someone else knows something about this topic


It's fairly simple, the EM force is the force that an EM field exerts on charged particles. The most basic demonstration is rubbing a balloon on your head. You'll notice that your hair becomes attracted to the balloon. This is becomes the balloon has taken some electrons from your hair, causing it to be positively charged. The balloon becomes negatively charged, and opposites attract.

Some people in the Chemtrial circle have theorized that the Chemtrial planes emit a type of guided, modified electrostatic field over the area in which they operate. It is theorized the the field is stabilized via an array of lasers from either A) the aircraft B) a partner aircraft C) ground stations. As I said before, it may be the effects of the power grid below which assist the dispersers of conspiracy:

This link shows how it is possible for power lines to attract certain types of particles. It
www.midtod.com...

Or this one:
www.em-surveys.co.uk...

Which explains how overhead lines can attract other particles, such as pollutants



The high voltage overhead lines create Ions, charged particles. These particles become attached to pollutants in the air, which in turn, become more attracted to people. The pollutant will then stick to the skin or be breathed in. The theory goes, once in the lung, the pollutants will cause lung cancer.

The high voltage overhead line is not itself harmful, but its presence will attract and concentrate the pollutants from car exhausts etc, and these will accumulate downwind of the overhead line. It is claimed this effect has been missed in all previous work as all the research associated with overhead lines has looking for magnetic field effects, not electric field effects.





But wasnt it chemtrail advocates that proclaimed there were no trails of any kind before the nineties? Contrails have been doing the same thing for many years now, the only reason they are more noticeable is due to the exponential growth of air travel.


Sure, some of them did, but that doesn't really mean much. Some scientists think global warming is real, and some think it is false. Some scientists actually believe in creationism, while most believe in evolution. It isn't very fair to bundle all the Chem Trial people, novice, experts, researchers, etc... into one single group, is it?





And yes I have had to do theoretical meteorology work, its part of training. You cant actually learn anything about the weather unless you do some theory and study it. The theories actually prove the observations that we view, so meteorology is a science, not an idea.


Imagine, you could be part of the team that proved the conspiracy!



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 05:05 PM
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In all related fact, Contrails are Chemtrails.


Anyone care to tell us what CO2 is?



[edit on 4-6-2010 by SneakAPeek]



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