Hi, I'm new here but I have been a "lurker" of ATS for many a year now and it has only just occured to me to finally dign upto the website as I believe we are going through exponential yet scary times.

I'm an ordinary 16 year old kid who just wants to be a part of the future, I want to be there when aliens are finally disclosed to us and I want to be part of future technologies.

Back to my point, first of all, I was wandering of the differences between the US and UK masons, are they the same? my dad will not reveal anything to me. I asked him if he knew of the NWO and he said "of course I do" but I know that he doesn't look on these forums or take any special intrest in it. He just goes to his meeting on the first friday of every month. However I do know where his old apron is that he used to use, he cant use it anymore as it has "red wine" staines on it. If it was really needed for you guys to see, I could picture it as hes out. In addition I have a copy of the history of freemasonry (a proper old one) it's on the shelf in front of me.

Thanks for listening and any help would be appreciated

oh and also I know that he is either 3rd or 5th degree (cant remember) but I know that in the Uk it only goes upto 3 or 5 and then you have the master etc

Red wine or red blood?

You should get us a picture of those "wine stains". ATS'ers prob could tell the difference.

I'd think that most of them don't really even know what it is they are the foundation for. Sure it's the first ever social networking club. But wouldn't Facebook and Myspace make them obsolete.

Either way, all I can think about is wine stains now.

It's quite possible that those are actually blood stains from the ritualistic murder of abducted children.

I just had another look at it and i think its red wine as it is of dark red - purple colour

I thought somebody might be interested in the book though

it has the all seeing eye on the cover with the masonic symbol

it reads the history of freemosinry
its antiquiti, symbols, constitutions, customs etc

embracing an investigation of the records of the organisations of the fraturnity in england, scotland, Ireland, British Colonies, France, Germany, And the United Sates

Derived from official sources

I will post pics soon

Originally posted by WhatsHappening
I asked him if he knew of the NWO and he said "of course I do" but I know that he doesn't look on these forums or take any special intrest in it. [/quote
Are you trying to say that the "NWO" is an "active" and "open" topic in the lodges? I don't think so. Fellow masons... what say you?

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thats what I've got, maybe I could reveal some of the insides if someone really needs them

even the pages are edged with gold and stuff

and I dont know if NWO is openly talked but he said he couldnt say anything

he just said that a brother and his family will always be alright

lol pics are a bit big sorry

hmm, its intresting especially when I asked him if he knew the NWO he said yes the illuminati and then said they are related closely too (trying to let me filling in the gaps) and then said freemoasons. LOL don't know why I didnt say that in the first place

Blood on his apron? Why he must be one of those child eaters. I am sure your dad is a fine person and probably has never even tasted fried kid. I think Rune Spider is on with the difference in US and UK. I am US and have no knowlege of other contries customs but I hope to travel abroad and visit some lodges in other areas. Unless UK masonry is completely different than US there is no NWO or Illuminate discussions in the blue lodge. All I know about either of them is what I read here. It would be cool to be a part of some world changing thing, but it isn't masonry. It is a life changing thing though. You should tell your dad you talk too masons on this forum. Maybe he will be interested enough to check it out.

yh, lol, ive been in the old local masonic lodge that is no longer used. It has all those doors with the diamond shaped peep holes. I know that they do a lot of charity work, so maybe it's just that. The book is for UK and US I suppose that also means they work on the same objectives

Would not a dried red wine stain be in a consistent manner? The photo on the apron seems to show blood like separation of plasma and red corpuscles. If it is genuinely blood, the discolouration would have a brown tint but unfortunately the photo is out of focus so I cannot tell.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Would not a dried red wine stain be in a consistent manner? The photo on the apron seems to show blood like separation of plasma and red corpuscles. If it is genuinely blood, the discolouration would have a brown tint but unfortunately the photo is out of focus so I cannot tell.

Why would there be blood on his father's ceremonial apron?

The guy already said that it's a red wine stain.

Blood dries to a rusty brown color, that's more of purple. Granted, they are English, but I still think it's more likely it's wine.

As liquids dry, they condense, so the liquid would dry as in the pictures.

Also, liquids would be absorbed into the fabric, which would also be part of why it would stain as it does.

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Originally posted by Rockpuck
I was raised to wear a suit to lodge (ha, raised joke, funny me) lol .. "Respect for the institution" .. even in a casual lodge I'll be the one nerd in a suit.

Im my jurisdiction it is suits all the time except for Degrees, then we are required to wear tuxedos.

my father was an active mason till he became a Christian, i say active because i've read on this site that once a mason always a mason, and he no longer attends meetings. my father still holds alot of the masonic beliefs but disagree's with a few and refuses to "sit on the fence". these are just the bits and pieces i got out of him with over 20yrs. of asking. he also refuses to talk about it, especially to his daughter, he was very disturbed that i wanted his ring to wear on a chain!
a bit of advise: enjoy being a teenager, don't try and grow up too fast or you'll regret it. you have plenty of time ahead of you and you can then be a mason yourself assuming your male