TA-THREATS: Islamic Leaders Call for Jihad in Europe

Militant Islamic leaders in Europe are openly calling for Jihad (Holy War) in the streets of Europe if the Europeans don�t submit to the recent request of Osama bin Laden. This is not a veiled threat, and the Muslim clerics that are making these bold accusations are not afraid of the consequences of their actions. Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammad of London said Thursday, "All Muslims of the West will be obliged, to become his sword (in a new battle). It is foolish to fight people who want death � that is what they are looking for."

The New York Times
The call to jihad is rising in the streets of Europe, and is being answered, counterterrorism officials say.
In this former industrial town north of London, a small group of young Britons whose parents emigrated from Pakistan after World War II have turned against their families' new home. They say they would like to see Prime Minister Tony Blair dead or deposed and an Islamic flag hanging outside No. 10 Downing Street.
They swear allegiance to Osama bin Laden and his goal of toppling Western democracies to establish an Islamic superstate under Shariah law, like Afghanistan under the Taliban. They call the Sept. 11 hijackers the "Magnificent 19" and regard the Madrid train bombings as a clever way to drive a wedge into Europe.

Some of the Muslims that migrated to Europe after WWII are apparently still more loyal to their origins, than their new host countries. The recent find of 1,200 pounds of ammonium nitrate in Britain was attributed to 5 Pakistani-Britons. These were not men who had been raised in another country or immigrants. These men were born and raised in Britain. Not all Muslims take this stance, and more mainstream Muslims are afraid that this could lead to sterotyping of all Muslims as terrorist. Many still see Islam as a peaceful religion, but this could change if terrorist continue to shout "Allah is great" just before they detonate their explosives. What is actually at risk here is freedom for all religions, since the banning of one is unlikely.

Currently officials are trying to use immigration policies to crack down on these members, but how long can one group of people cry for destruction before something else is done about it? Can Europe make it a crime to be Islamic, or will all religions be branded as harmful? More legislation on this matter is just a single terrorist action away.

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[Edited on 27-4-2004 by dbates]

What can be done to protect a nation against radical islamic muslims.

Actually those living within any nation who are natural born there is vey little that can be done.

I believe all that we are seeing in the growing global conflict between western/christian culture and Islam is the desire for world domination of Islam, a world that would live under Islamic law. Terrorism is their weapon of choise. Islam is their reason, death is their reward.

You cannot deal with these people, you can only fight them once they attack, or can prove they are a threat.
Can we kill Islam?

Gazz

[edit on 2004-7-2 by Teknik]

Originally posted by UM_Gazz
What can be done to protect a nation against radical islamic muslims.

Actually those living within any nation who are natural born there is vey little that can be done.

I believe all that we are seeing in the growing global conflict between western/christian culture and Islam is the desire for world domination of Islam, a world that would live under Islamic law. Terrorism is their weapon of choise. Islam is their reason, death is their reward.

You cannot deal with these people, you can only fight them once they attack, or can prove they are a threat.
Can we kill Islam?

Gazz

Islam isn't the issue- it's the east/west cultural different. Religion just gives each a face. Islam doesn't seek dominion any more than Christianity does. It's only in recent history that the East, and Islam in particular, has struck at the west. Even then, read your history. The west has done an awful lot to the east. These people just figure it's time to pay the piper.

Islam isn't the problem, it's the politics.

DE

I've been saying this since I started posting here. Islam will slowly start taking over Europe within the next 10 years.

The sad thing is, I think the Europeans will let them.

I believe all that we are seeing in the growing global conflict between western/christian culture and Islam is the desire for world domination of Islam, a world that would live under Islamic law. Terrorism is their weapon of choise. Islam is their reason, death is their reward.

You said that right. They have to fight. The very existance of Western Culture and any other religion besides theirs attacks the underpinnings of their control system.

Originally posted by Teknik
I respect your posts, dbates, quite highly, but this needs a bit more balance.

Fair enough, I added a few more lines to address this issue. I agree that it may not be a mainstream point of view for Islamic members to cry for war, but when bombings continue to have the stamp of Isalm on them, something will have to change. How can a respected leader of a religious group stand up and call for war? Some of this is sensationalism by the press, but everyone wants to blame someone. My main concern is that all religions will end up being marked as harmful.

[edit on 2004-7-2 by Teknik]

The sad thing is, I think the Europeans will let them.

Either that, or one or more european countries will become fascist states. The paranoia and fear of attack among people could escalete into a potentially huge and sweeping rebellion.
The amount of people here in Britain, in the factories, in the pubs - away from politically correct ears - that would purge the whole asian/mid eastern population from the country is alarming. Their views may be ignorant and discriminate against innocent muslims and non-islamic asians, but they are still becoming the views of the masses.

Well, Paul, its seems that since no innocent Islamics are willing to step up, seriously condemn, and do something about those that are making their religion look really bad, it will probably turn out like you say.

In this case innocent Muslims are going to be either part of the solution or part of the problem.

The US was attacked by Islamic followers on September 11th, or did you forget. We made a mistake after this attack by not declaring a state of war between us and them.
If it were not for our dependance on foreign oil I beleive we would have done so. We of the West have allowed our own dependence to slowly strangle us.
England, France, Germany and many other European nations will be forced to make a decision, either unite against Islam or surrender to it's demands.

Given the magnitude and nature of the problem of radical Islam, does anybody else sense that perhaps we are very much on the verge of cataclysmic events of biblical proporations? Can anybody see a manmade solution short of either giving in or engaging in the bloodiest, most widespread war of all time? I think biblical is the only answer.

Militant Islamic leaders in Europe are openly calling for Jihad

Well if they're dumb enough to openly do this, I assume it's known who they are and where they live. The answer is simple - give them their Jihad and send them to their maker.

shoot them and hang them on a flag post out side of downing street.... next to a pigs head..... them idiots send them in a capsule to the sun and let them burn...

It's called fear tactics.

Stir up fear in the entire world so the world can submit to a new government.

No Islamic iman or cleric has the authority to launch a Jihad against anyone. It's against the laws of the Noble Qur'an.

These people aren't even Muslim. They are poisoned, controlled by the Illuminati Muslims.

Bush is just as guilty of using religion. He is changing your constitution to reflect his religious views(Marriage, Abortion). Politics and religion have no business being lumped together. You can't run a country based on one set of religious principles when the population on a whole is not of that religion.

Bush is bringing the Jihad. U.S. foreign policy in the middle east has killed 100-500 times more innocent people than who died in Sept. 11.

I don't agree with it, but you can't blame the Muslims for being angry.(CRUSADES ANYONE)

deeznutz you are so right, i�m getting truly furious when I read the posts of flycatch, UM_Gazz .... and you other smallminded easymanipulated #s!!! how can you stand there and act like it was "the muslims" that drew first blood? when its US actions in the middle east for the last 50 that have brought this understandible hatred for the states. as teknik (from his own point of view and with diffrent words...) said, when people are in desparation they do grab what ever banner they can find to make a stand, and its often radicals that stand ready with banners for the masses. the propaganda machine (and dont even dare saying its not) in the US is repeating the same battle cries it used under mccarthyism against the socialism. there taking a few to represent the masses and judging islam as a hole.

ps: if any country is heading down the facist trail its the states...

[Edited on 26-4-2004 by disturbence]

Originally posted by DEEZNUTZ
Bush is just as guilty of using religion. He is changing your constitution to reflect his religious views(Marriage, Abortion). Politics and religion have no business being lumped together. You can't run a country based on one set of religious principles when the population on a whole is not of that religion.

Bush is bringing the Jihad. U.S. foreign policy in the middle east has killed 100-500 times more innocent people than who died in Sept. 11.

I don't agree with it, but you can't blame the Muslims for being angry.(CRUSADES ANYONE)

actually, you should read the history of the ottoman empire before condeming european actions towards them back then.

It is true that there is a coming conflict between Islamic and European Europeans. This has been coming for a long time, with the recent events in France bringing the issue to a head.

But if they call for war, I do not think Europe will roll over and aquiesse. They have had 2 severe wars in the past, people recognise now the danger of letting extremists have their way and the danger they pose.

Islamic success would only happen if Europeans are weak. If Europe stands up and says "No more" it would be over very quickly.

When we get to the point where even the French are upset enough to want something done, then there is a very strong ability and power in the rest of the continent towards driving the Islamics out.

There are massive movements of Nationalism that at present are underground or marginalised that will quickly gain popularity and strength from the events there, as people see their own governments to be weak and passive.

If they want a Jihad, then the west can give it to them. why Britian is so passive to the poison spouted by the Mullahs in their country so far is dismaying. Kick em out, lock the door.

[Edited on 26-4-2004 by Netchicken]

"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

Get used to it guys, you really are worthless in some eyes...

www.reuters.com...;:40833d0c:5d43a3b4b52d2066?type=worldNews&locale=en_IN&storyID=4857651


[Edited on 26-4-2004 by Netchicken]

Originally posted by Netchicken
the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."
www.reuters.com...;:40833d0c:5d43a3b4b52d2066?type=worldNews&locale=en_IN&storyID=4857651

If the words from the mouth of this cleric do not wake people up to the fact that we are facing a war with radical islam and it Islam is the core of the enemy.

Then I'm afraid only a massive attack will.

I have tried to alert everyone from the begining of war in afghanistan where this war was headed, I wished I was wrong, but each day I see proof that I am right.

Gazz

[Edited on 26-4-2004 by UM_Gazz]