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Mom says Patriot Act stripped son of due process

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posted on May, 7 2009 @ 08:46 AM
Regarding "what am I missing"?

The Federal government can seize your minor children, incarcerate them in another state, limit your access, avoid justification, and leave you with little to no recourse.

Does that sum it up?

Making bombs threats in this day and age is just plain lacking in reasonable judgment and can get you in trouble. I teach my kids this. Not every kid is getting locked up, but a kid that apparently (again, I don't know more facts than this) made a bomb threat. You just can't do that in this day and age, nor should one ever have joked or plotted violence against another in any age, for that matter. I still don't get it.

posted on May, 7 2009 @ 09:42 AM
Let me clarify.....I think the Patriot act is a bad, bad idea. I don't like it one bit and understand how aggregiously its taking away our freedoms. I just question that a story like this, without virtually any facts at all becomes fodder for more "this is wrong" judgments.

posted on May, 7 2009 @ 12:36 PM
These laws where made to give more power (undeserved) to an administration that was devicive and creating agendas serving un american values.

Absolute power corrupts.

The laws apply to terrorist criminality but are made broad so it does not need the normal description of a terrorist or paperwork and transparency which just makes a nuisance out of a collar for law enforcement. With this they can do an operation without hours of recording and normal process afterward.

A two month old baby with a stick of dynamite is a terrorist under this law. It does not seem to matter who duck taped it to the baby.

So now this BAD law, is used as a convenience device so law enforcement can classify an operation as such and have all the fun of an operation without sweating the due diligence usually afforded due process.

The problem is, that when they use this law, and in this case inappropriately, it starts a chain of events that is erosive to any individuals rights whether guilty or not. No one who made the law cares as long as their agenda was fulfilled. They consider this type of event in the ledger column of acceptable losses.

The agencies who carried out the arrest don't have to look back because they are following procedure as outlined in the Patriot Act. They will claim they are just doing their job. Oversight is effectively relegated to closed doors and insulated operative offices.

Law becomes not only blind, but deaf and dumb. It is, as another sharp ATS'er stated, "a Juggernaut." A headless beast let loose with such broad power it cannot be stopped by any legal or normal constitutional means. We knew this when it was put into law, but drank the Kool Aid of the fear we where poisoned with through the administrations advertising campaign supporting their own secret goals we likely have not even uncovered.

It will take heroic legal battles in Washington and from the people to rescind this abuse of the former administrations power. If the new administrations agenda is secretly in line with this law, or is enticed into keeping it because it gives them more convenience or feeds their agenda in other ways, it will see more damage before it is taken from the operations manual.

The power will be hard to let go of when they think they cannot easily accomplish something they see need happen to further their own goals.

Expect more tragic events to follow. The tool this law provides to an overly bureaucratic, red tape society where nothing can get done without skipping the protection of our rights is just too enticing to agencies now under manned, under trained, power obsessed, culturally isolated, anxiety ridden, inefficient, under funded, now feared and unappreciated.

Nothing good comes from bad.

This one law taints the whole of the constitution. And the worst part is that it is not the only such law that is abused for less than the protection of our rights and liberties. It is just the most blatant.


posted on May, 7 2009 @ 03:53 PM
reply to post by WeArePeace

Then let me clarify.

We have damaged a very important principle in our form of governance. By eliminating open due process, we make it impossible to identify abuse of process.

This mother asserts her son was with her at a church function the night of the threat. She also asserts her son's IP address was somehow spoofed during the threat. In other words, she claims he is innocent of the charges.

But neither of these defenses will be heard and tested in the open manner expected of normal criminal cases. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. No transparency, which by definition safeguards against abuse of power.

Moreover, I still don't understand why he was shipped out of state to a facility half way across the country. Such a maneuver makes it much more difficult for the mother to see her son or to provide him with the necessary support for his defense.

Supporting process has NOTHING to do with supporting criminals or terrorists. It's about protecting the innocent from the negligent or intentional misconduct of the government. Plain and simple.

[edit on 7-5-2009 by loam]

posted on May, 11 2009 @ 12:47 PM
So, what do we think of this boys' innocence now?

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