Mom says Patriot Act stripped son of due process

First I apologize if this is the wrong board. This news has me outraged, saddened and sick. I'm not going to quote from the article but I hope that everyone will take a moment to view it and watch the video.

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This kind of stuff makes me feel totally hopeless but I am taking the time the contact as many msm channels as I can to see if they will cover this story. I may even give a ring to the White House directly.

This kid needs due process, or better yet released immediately! I really can't believe this is happening in this country.

Thanks for your time.

Yup. Thats exactly what the Patriot Act was intended to do. Remove all the rights that countless “Patriots” have given their lives to defend. There is a reason our legal system seems to suck. To protect the rights of the innocent, not the guilty.
I hope these people find justice.

The problem with the patriot act is no checks and balances are applied to it's use...unlike the intended foundations of our government, where each leg of the government must rely on the others to help or hinder their cause...the patriot act stand alone ...all powerful.

It is used by agencies from the federal level right down to the states and local municipalities...with no oversight, no habeus corpus, no due process...

Our founding fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew what our government has gotten up to...all in the name of protecting us...

my question is from whom?

It is only a matter of time before we find ourselves in the middle of another civil war, this time it won't be about ceceeding from the government, it will be about replacing the government. This is what I think anyway.

Yep that evil Patriot Act was intended to take innocent 16 year old boys from their bedroom and send them to juvie for no reason at all.

Here's the YouTube video from a local news station following the story:

www.campaignforliberty.com...

Disturbing indeed.

I feel like they got you guys in a stronghold.. I don't see how you can get the Patriot Act to be disbanded/reversed at this point in time. The governmental institutes had to work so hard to get it in to place - now that it is, I'll bet they want to keep it lodged safely in place.
Meaning anyone could be searched, arrested and put away.

Something that always strikes me as interesting, is the contrast between the 'official' point of view, and the 'real' point of view.. Imagine every police officer as an individual - place him in a warm & nice environment with friends & family, then introduce him to the teen of 16 and ask him again whether this is a threat to national security. I'd bet 100% of all involved adults would say it's ridiculous to consider him to be a real threat. However, all those individual adults - as a whole - managed not only to judge him as a threat, but even put him away without questioning it.

Patriot Act.. Wonder whether it would've gone through if they wouldn't have give it such a 'sweet' name.. We all know there are a lot of names that would fit much better.

Originally posted by jd140
Yep that evil Patriot Act was intended to take innocent 16 year old boys from their bedroom and send them to juvie for no reason at all.

That is quite a glib remark sir. It doesn't seem to matter to some that the bones of the innocient get ground into dust. The patriot act is a juggernaut,whose wheels are greased with the rights of the people.

This is the reason people seem so complacient to this blight on our society. Only a small percentage have felt the hammer of injustice. Those that haven't been directly affected,actually feel their rights are safe.
History has shown us that once we allow the infractions to escalate,by refusing to face the truth,it soon becomes untenable for all.

Originally posted by daddyroo45

Originally posted by jd140
Yep that evil Patriot Act was intended to take innocent 16 year old boys from their bedroom and send them to juvie for no reason at all.

That is quite a glib remark sir. It doesn't seem to matter to some that the bones of the innocient get ground into dust. The patriot act is a juggernaut,whose wheels are greased with the rights of the people.

This is the reason people seem so complacient to this blight on our society. Only a small percentage have felt the hammer of injustice. Those that haven't been directly affected,actually feel their rights are safe.
History has shown us that once we allow the infractions to escalate,by refusing to face the truth,it soon becomes untenable for all.

Glib?

I will never forgive Tom Cruise for bringing that stupid word back.

You bring a good point up. Only a small percentage feel the hammer.
That would be the percentage that breaks the law.

Also.

Innocent bones being ground to dust?
Wheels greased with the rights of the people?

Could you be anymore over dramatic?

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The small percentage that break the law? The patriot act even disallows freedom of speech,in some cases. Are people that speak their minds truly home grown terrorists? Most of the cases are formed around a little word called INTENT. Now the patriot act is akin to thought police.

As to being overly dramatic.... I wonder if it were you under the thumb of the patriot act for your opinion would you become less obtuse?

Seems very weird... Does anyone remember the good old days, when kids who made bomb threats would get a fair trial, due rights, and spend a few months/years in juvie hall for some actual crime like making a hoax call to law enforcement. I dislike this new system were people don't get fair trials, and get locked up indefinitely for terrorism, when they are really just some asshole punk kid who needs a few months in the hole.

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He may be overdramatic, but imagine how overdramatic it would be for a SWAT team to show up at your house in the middle of the night. It happened to my wife and baby a year ago. Luckily the Patriot Act wasn't involved, or my parent's would still be sitting in a jail.

Me (and the local Sheriff's Department) are very lucky that they are well trained, and that I was not home. My wife got concerned when my dog (a pit bull) starting growling and running to the windows. She let him out the back door, and a lot of commution ensued. A SWAT team had surrounded my home, where my wife, 3 month old son, and parents were getting ready for bed. I was out of town on business, and I got a call from her just as I was boarding a plane to come home. The officer's showed a lot of restraint by not shooting my dog, and they were very courteous even though they did arrest my parent's. They released them later that night after the details were sorted out, but things could have gone very, very wrong.

I am well-armed in my home, and they came silently after 10 pm at night, in full gear. Had I been home, or had shots been fired at the dog, or any number of other things and several innocent people would have died (us and them).

For the most part, the people enforcing the laws mean well, and they are members of our communities, but many new laws are blatantly unconstitutional, and no one seems to have noticed. We give up more and more rights for the sake of security. I am a fan of Bush, I also voted for Obama, and I do not think this was the intention of the Patriot Act. It was never intended for US citizens, and it is being abused. No act of Congress by any name, can usurp the Constitution, so this kid has the right to a face his accusers, and receive a speedy trial. If that doesn't happen, when he is eventually released, he will have a terrific basis for a lawsuit, but most of the responsible parties will be immune to it.

Assuming his mother is truthful, and he was actually not at home at the time these calls were made, this story should be on all MSM, and people in his town should have their pitchforks and torches at city hall.

If my dog had been shot, or my wife or child hurt, we would already be at war. I guarantee my response would have made the MSM! To bad this woman doesn't believe in guns.

This is sick and disturbing.

There are no other words needed to describe it, althought there are probably several 100.

The most important point of all of this; you can't get around it, you can't have it changed. It is a blatant and direct violation of your rights as a human being, and its just another way for them to remind us that they can # with us anytime they want.

Another prime example of why the Patriot Act needs to be repealed, as promised by OBAMA the great. Well he is not going to keep up his promise to repeal this hunk of crap piece of legislation. It would not bode well with his furthering socialistic agenda.

[edit on 5-5-2009 by drummerroy39]

Don't mean to insult you, but I think you should have done a bit more reading. Here's what's wrong with the Patriot Act:

1. The government can conduct a 'sneak and peek' search of your home without a warrant, and doesn't have to notify you until later. Just a little bit disturbing when you have so much corruption in Washington.

2. The government can go look at your library record, look at what book stores you've visited, what books you've read, doctor's offices, banks, etc... And if the location they searched informs you about the search, they could face prosecution.

3. The FBI, ATF, and Secret Service can install bugs in any of your communications devices (phones, computer monitoring, pager, etc...) even when you are not suspected of a crime.

4. Federal Agents can detain and arrest anyone suspected of (sweeping term) "terrorist activities" and detain them indefinitely without charging them with a crime or providing access to an attorney.

5. Federal Agents can fully investigate anyone who engages in protest activities, or is an activist for a certain cause.

6. Federal Agents can listen to conversations between prisoners and their attorneys, voiding the right to legal counsel.

7. Anyone 'suspected' of terrorist activities can be tried by a military tribunal where there is no jury, no right to counsel, no right to see evidence against you, and no right to appeal.

8. The CIA, the United State's foreign spy agency, is permitted to use its advanced spy equipment domestically on American Citizens without warrants.

Source: mccarthyism.tribe.net...

Also See Full Text: Patriot Act: Full Text

Opinion:

It is the most horrible, Anti-American piece of garbage ever dragged through the slimy halls of congress and dumped on the citizenry. It has essentially eviscerated civil liberties.

Although, I don't think you'll have a problem if you're a tight-lipped follower who would rather obey than question. Because if you protest or criticize the government, you can legally be entered into a database and tracked, all legally because of the Patriot Act.

Heck they can even throw your name on the massive 'terrorist watch list.' As many journalists who tell the truth and criticize the government can tell you, it's pretty hard to fly anywhere when you get on this list.

The current number of people on the list is over 1 million, including many children (source: ACLU.org).

Also, please don't even bring into discussion the 'threat meter,' aka the 'propaganda ladder,' it's complete hogwash and is just used to incite fear.



[edit on 9-4-2009 by JipStix]
Thank you for posting that. People need to be enlightened as to this piece os S * * t legislation. Obama now wants to keep this bill in place, after promising he was going to repeal it.

I would be preparing for the eventuality of it happening to you.

IP addresses can be hacked, websites can be spoofed, phone numbers can be faked, and overzelous thugs in DHS boots can misread a number in their quest for dominance.

From the article-

In a bi-partisan effort, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., and Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., last month introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives a bill that would narrow subpoena power in a provision of the Patriot Act, called the National Security Letters, to curb what some consider to be abuse of power by federal law enforcement officers.
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From the summary of the bill written by the congressional research service-

National Security Letters Reform Act of 2009 - Prohibits a national security letter (letter) (a request for information sought by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in connection with a criminal investigation) from being issued unless the issuing official certifies specific facts providing reason to believe that the information or records sought pertain to a foreign power or agent thereof. Prohibits a letter from being issued in connection with an investigation of a U.S. person solely upon the basis of activities protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution.
GovTrack.us

While it is seemingly a good thing, what disturbs me is that this is just a tweak of the control mechanism, rather than it's abolishment altogether as we were promised.

I agree with drummerroy39

Another prime example of why the Patriot Act needs to be repealed, as promised by OBAMA the great. Well he is not going to keep up his promise to repeal this hunk of crap piece of legislation.

No he's not regardless of what he said/says. You are what you do, not what you say, and what he did was vote to continue this contradiction to freedom.

Another thing that bothers me is that the burden of proof will be on the family. We are now guilty first, remaining guilty until proven innocent, without regard to the difficulty of removing the guilty stigma and certainly with no help from the authorities to do so.

I have talked about this type of police state for years. It's not going to go away easily or soon.

He is still in jail and the hearing will not be until the end of may. Imagine if he was a little older. In this amount of time he has now lost his job and hasn't paid rent/mortgage.

~"Never, in my worst nightmare did I ever think that it would be my own government that I would have to protect my children from. This is the United States, and I feel like I live in a third world country now".~

This is just criminal. The Patriot Act is terrifying. I do believe that this act was created with the specific intent to use it against the American people, and I also believe that we ain't seen nothin' yet.

The Patriot Act was, in part, an attempt to address the problem of monitoring suspected foreign terrorists living within the United States and to close off their methods of raising money.

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If this were the case, then us regular ole non terror making Americans would have nothing to worry about . They wouldn't be labeling alternative media as potential terrorists, Bob down the street wouldn't be on the watch list, and little John wouldn't be worried about going to Disney World. (about 24 sec)



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I need to show this story to my dad, to prove what is wrong with the patriot act.

All my parents used to do was say "Oh well we dont have anything to hide, and we aren't terrorists"

Of course we all know the problem is that, the government doesn't care about that, they'll do what they want.

On one level, I feel sorry for the kid.

On another, I hope that this experience snaps him out of his love for this disgusting country. His bedroom is loaded with pro-NWO imagery, and he ends up as a victim of the NWO. That is ironic.