possible attack on Dutch Royaltys

reply to post by locster


What strikes me as odd, is something I noticed when I got back home and started to search for movies on the internet. I found this one.
In the movie you can see how the car, who just got out of the crowd, heads towards a group of journalists. From my point of view, this group was on the same drivinglane as the bus with the royalty's was.
As you look close at the front tyres, you can see that the driver brakes for a split second and then changes course. Almosts if it tries to avoid the group of journalists.
This doesn't make sense... Why would he try to avoid making casualties, if he drove through a crowd seconds before?

To get a complete picture: I was there in the crowd. Almost next to the camera that filmed the movie I linked. When I was in the crowd, I did not noticed the breaking. Likely because of the panic I was in. Or maybe I'm wrong, and the driver didn't hit the breaks... It's really fast and only visible if you look real close.

Another possibility is that they shot him and because of that, he lost control over his car. The ANP (Dutch National News Agency) has pulled back one particular picture in several messages. Although ANP removed it, the picture is still visible here. Why would they pull the picture? Is there something visible we are not suppose to see, like bulletholes?
At first I thought it was because of the face of the guy is really visible but soon I realised that there are still a lot of pictures with him in plain view on the internet, they didn't pull. I'd like to have your tought of it.

Speedjuh

reply to post by Speedjuh


I don't think he used the breaks, at that speed I think it would be more noticeable, it looks like the driver was not controlling the car at that time.

About the photo, maybe they pulled it because it shows the royal family behind the man.

That's some retarded assassins.

Seriously, if you want to be a freedom fighter by killing bilderberg scum, don't kill innocents civilians while doing so.

Retards.

What we need is to arrest them, try them and execute them, not assassinate them.

[edit on 30-4-2009 by Vitchilo]

reply to post by ArMaP


You could be right about the breaks. Like I said: at the event itself I didn't notice it. In the movie I just follow the holes in the rims, and at one point it doesn't look like the same speed. But again: I could be wrong. I am just trying to find some answers to something that happened right in front of my eyes. Like in the first few seconds of the movie:

In the first four seconds of the movie, you see a cop being escorted by a guy in jeans. At first I thought he saw something he shouldn't have seen and because of that the Secret Service took him. But after I watched it like five times, I realized that his hand was injured. So yeah, I might be a little too shaky and because of that say stupid things. You'll have t forgive me if I do.

Some other thing I noticed (and can't explain) in the movie is the lack of reaction from the guy standing in front of the white house on the left, after the car crashed into the monument.
The woman next to him stands with her hands in front of her mouth, looking at the car, but the guy just looks to the other side and seems to be calling. He doens't even look at the car!

About the pulled picture: There are a lot more pictures with the royalty's on them... Why didn't they pull those?

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Does anyone know what the Naald (needle i assume?) or 'monument' was there for specifically? I can't find any specific information and no google street view. It looks to be close to what looks like a 'palace' or similar, i assume, if it was near the end of the route as said earlier. I just think that this was probably allowed to to happen to some degree and have the feeling that the monument might have some relevance in a completely illogical and perhaps 'conspiratorial' way.


google maps


edit: to add link

[edit on 30-4-2009 by ivycutler]

reply to post by Speedjuh


The photo you linked is a bit weird, his face is bloody, the top of his head is clean except for one red dot. As you see him driving in the clips, he is hunched over, trying to see through the cracked windshield. So that puts the top of his head in the line of fire of a sniper above street level, in a building.

reply to post by ArMaP

The Dutch apparently spent alot of time and effort towards security for the Royal Family's visit including "hundreds of police officers on duty in the area". The pictures of the cops just standing their as he plows through the crowd are just astonishing ... do they have any sort of training whatsoever? I mean here our cops are trained to REACT to an act of this sort.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Hundreds of police officers were on duty in a huge security operation that took months to plan.

^ someone really dropped the ball with this one ....

[edit on 30-4-2009 by ChrisF231]

reply to post by ivycutler


The Needle monument was a gift to the parents of Queen Wilhelmina.
Constructed in 1901.


EDIT: Location Needle google maps

[edit on 30/4/09 by locster]

Originally posted by locster
reply to post by ivycutler

 

The Needle monument was a gift to the parents of Queen Wilhelmina.
Constructed in 1901.

a gift from who?

sorry i'm probably clutching at straws to make something out of this awful story, i'm sure. Something seems out of place in this for me.

but with a few minutes research i've just got an education about Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands I probably never would have got without this ever happening. Interesting woman.

reply to post by ivycutler


It was a gift from the people of Apeldoorn.

I don't know for sure this was staged, but it certainly will be used

reply to post by ivycutler


As translated from the Dutch Wikipedia:

"The Needle is an obelisk at Zwolseweg in Apeldoorn, is a monument placed on March 9th 1901. It was a gift from the people of Apeldoorn to the bridescouple Queen Wilhemina and Prince Hendrik. At the same time it was to honor the parents of Queen Wilhelmina, King Willem III and Queen Emma.

The Neele is 17 metres in height and is next to Palace 'Het Loo'. The foundation was an idea of former mayor Tutein Nothenius. They collected money under the citizens of Apeldoorn and collected ƒ 3.518,37 (around 40.000 euro). On the marriageday of Wilhemina, February 7th 1901, the needle wasn't finished yet. But in the bottom they already put a case with a document, coins and stamps from that time.
There is a placard attached to the monument with the words:
Founded by the people of Apeldoorn as a thank to the parants of Her Majesty Queen Wilhelmina.
The portrets of her parents are on two medaillons.

A relative in Holland was telling me he thought it was quite suspicious how fast the police put huge screens around the car; he's thinking they're potentially covering up that the guy had been shot and wasn't in control of his vehicle anymore.
You can see the cops carry the screens here:



Perhaps there was a bullet hole in the windshield? There are rumours that he had been shot, but the chief of police has denied that.
The man was known in his neighborhood as a decent, polite man, yet a bit shy.
He used to be a night guard and studied during the day. Tomorrow he was supposed to move out of his apartment coz he couldn't pay his rent anymore. Police checked his vehicle but didn't find any explosives or weapons, which makes some think he was either there to kill himself against the bus, or to cause a less serious scene.
There are rumours that he's brain dead and the hospital staff have stopped treatment. There are also rumours that the initial picture is being censored because it kinda indicates that the guy was already dead, or at the very least knock out... but either way not in great shape to immediately confess his intentions....
There are rumours that an accomplice jumped out of the car before it crashed.
It's also stated that earlier in the day police sent him away from another barricade, to which he meekly complied.

Anyway,
R.I.P. for the victims, and my thoughts are with the families and friends they left behind...

Actually, looking back at the video we can see the area has been evacuated already, so I doubt how 'fast' these screens were actually put around the car...

I don't know if this video already has been posted.
It was filmed by a spectator and it shows it from another angle with original sound from the event itself.

Absolutely horrible to watch...

I was shocked when I heard this, I live in Holland and was thinking about going to ake some pictures but decided to stay home..

I think he was shot too. Because first he seemed to be going on the royalty bus and then suddenly loose control and go left. In the photos you can see him leaning on the site like he isnt controling the car anymore plus the car lost velosity.

Heard on the news this morning that now there are 5 deaths (3 men and 2 women), 4 people are still in serious condition
The 38 year old man who did it is among the four and therefore isnt in the condition to talk.

Just heard the police suspects that another man was involved in the incident too

Originally posted by SeriousWoman86
I think he was shot too. Because first he seemed to be going on the royalty bus and then suddenly loose control and go left. In the photos you can see him leaning on the site like he isnt controling the car anymore plus the car lost velosity.

The question is whether he got shot before or after hitting pedestrians,
and in case of him being shot before hitting the crowd, the question is: Why was he driving so fast towards the crowd that he hit them at 80 kph after being shot?

Maybe his foot hit the gas pedal and the car started speeding up while he was unconscious from being shot , which then leaves us with no good reason as to why they shot him in the first place...

Unless there was a clearing in the crowd which he was going to safely drive through in order to avoid hitting innocent bystanders, he shouldn't have been driving that fast towards the crowd, and at that point it's only normal for a sniper to take him out, right?

'Maybe his foot hit the gas pedal and the car started speeding up while he was unconscious from being shot , which then leaves us with no good reason as to why they shot him in the first place...'

Yes, that wat was a was thinking, because on the videos you cant see him being shot and I havent heard nobody who was there that noticed something like that. So i guess if they did shot him it would have been before.

By the way they just said in the news that the man died.

We went for a hike in the forest yesterday afternoon but we just heard the first newsitems of this terrible act on the radio. In the first newsitems they said "people possible heard shots" and the guy was heading for the royal bus driving at excessive speed trough the crowd.

But when I came back from the hike in the evening and saw the first video's on television I saw an uncontrolled car "rolling out" from his initial speed and crashed rather dull into the monument. It was totally different from the images I visualized from the first newsitems.

My first impression was that the guy was already not able to control his anymore after he hit the barriers and the people. So in that case he would already be serious injured while colliding withe the barrier and the people or before that...
I don't think he was so injured by hitting the monument but already before that.

Appearantly the guy died in hospital this night from his injuries. Dont think we will ever hear what really happened and why.