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Whats everyone's problem with the RFID chip? Just curious?

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posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 03:25 AM
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I have read numerous threads and posts about people stating they would never ever get chipped, or would rather die, or would rather leave the country etc...

Why? I know that some interpret the "bible" to say its the mark of the beast etc.. but the bible is not proven so, what is everyones beef with the RFID chip?

We wont even notice so who cares?

Just curious?




posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 03:42 AM
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Are you kidding me? Seriously.. Really.. So you are willing to allow the total tracking and monitoring of all of your personal and non-personal actions. No one that is of their right mind would want the government in every aspect of their personal life. Being chipped would let them see every aspect of your life. Most of us want privacy.

P.S. Get your flame suit out. Your about to get flammed.

[edit on 30-4-2009 by LeaderOfProgress]



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 03:57 AM
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So they can track on the globe where Im at, in a sense they already know. I am in the US Military.. whatever no big deal.

Its not like they can see through my eyes and control me. They just know where Im at if they need to find me. Might help some of the kids and stuff who get kidnapped or w/e



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 04:00 AM
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It is none of their business where we are or what we are doing. We are people not hearded animals. We deserve the right to privacy.



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 04:05 AM
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RFID chips don't let them track you... They can only get your information when you are near a scanner, at which point they know where you are, anyway. I would never get one, as the idea just creeps me out, but really I see it as no different than carrying around an RFID'd passport. The biggest issue with either of those would be security; how are they going to stop some random person with a scanner from getting your information from you? Encryption is obviously an option, but its not perfect.

[edit on 4/30/2009 by LiquidLight]



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
It is none of their business where we are or what we are doing. We are people not hearded animals. We deserve the right to privacy.


And I agree with you, we do deserve privacy.

But we still would have our privacy. The government can find us now, it will just be easier for them to find us with a chip. So its really any less private. We have SSNs, Credit Card Transactions, bills, and address etc, whats one more thing?

And hell, it might even be to our benefit. What if (big what if but I like conspiracy theories) what if the end is coming in 2012, Niburu or whatever etc... and the people with the special chip get saved and go underground or something. Maybe this way they can find us when the time comes.



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 04:34 AM
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I think the problem with RFID is THEY can track everything you buy and throw away. THEY can make a profile of you from everything you have ever bought.

A quick scenario... You own a rolex that has a RFID, you're walking around the shopping centre, a mugger has a RFID scanner attached to his PDA. The mugger also notices you have a few shopping bags with you, they sweep past you and scan your bags too and see you have plenty of expensive items in your bag too. Now you are going to be their victim as they now know you are a high value target..

Every RFID has a unique number. Imagine a disgruntled partner looking for custody of their children. In the court case the prosecutor asks for the information fron your RFID'd toll card.. They notice that you're going through the toll booths late at night (you work late for extra cash). The prosecutor says obviously you're not at home looking after the kids (because you're at work past their bedtime). Although you're a good parent trying to earn extra cash so they can have luxuries like a new Xbox etc. Everything can be twisted against you.

I know these aren't the best examples, but they give you an idea about it not just being TPTB that want to know what you are upto. Before RFID you knew you were being frisked, with RFID you're life is an open book to anyone with a scanner.



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 04:38 AM
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There are a lot of problems i have with it.

First, try to stick any foreign object in me, whatever it's function. I don't allow contamination of the body temple, and a chip is a contaminant. I'll give my life fighting for my right to choose what i put into my body. You won't have me alive, you can chip my dead body but by then it don't matter.

Second, a chip is an electronic device which in order to be read (without your knowing of course,,,) must transmit an RF signal through your body. Are you okay with having RF radiation transmitted from inside your body? How about chips already in use with cancerous cells around them?

Third, you (anyone) don't own me. This may be the height the era of wage slavery for all you cattle who are ready to march down the line and get branded, but i'm one of those terrorists who believe that i am free, regardless of what you try to do to convince me otherwise. Are you alright with the self acknowledgment and affirmation that you promise to be another's property. Once you take the chip, regardless whether or not it's ever used for or against you, you willingly are handing yourself to another.

Fourth, anyone who can manage to scrape up a few bucks and bum a ride to radio shack can build a reader, and access your chip. Are you okay with broadcasting your personal information to anybody and everybody, all the time, without your knowledge?

Fifth, what does the chip do for me? Nothing. Absolutely freaking nothing. It's function is inventory control, human inventory. Are you going to scarifice privacy, personal freedom, security, and the sale of your soul for nothing in return?

Sixth, this is a VERY unjust world, i don't trust anybody, i've been stabbed in the back by supposed loved ones, i've been accused and arrested on terrorism charges long before 911 and the T word was fashionable. I've been straight up robbed and beaten by cops, and am alive today because i was able to fend off an insane cop who i know was a crooked ass murderer, him with club vs. me handcuffed and half naked. Now, in a world where justice via our justice system is nonexistent, i'm supposed to make it easier for these killers and thugs to track me down? It's not that i see the government becoming my enemy, because it has already declared it's war on me long ago, with entrapment, fake warrants and threats of terrorism charges. I was 15 years old then, 18 years ago.



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by UKWO1Phot
I think the problem with RFID is THEY can track everything you buy and throw away. THEY can make a profile of you from everything you have ever bought.

A quick scenario... You own a rolex that has a RFID, you're walking around the shopping centre, a mugger has a RFID scanner attached to his PDA. The mugger also notices you have a few shopping bags with you, they sweep past you and scan your bags too and see you have plenty of expensive items in your bag too. Now you are going to be their victim as they now know you are a high value target..

I know these aren't the best examples, but they give you an idea about it not just being TPTB that want to know what you are upto. Before RFID you knew you were being frisked, with RFID you're life is an open book to anyone with a scanner.



By the time it went into global implementation they would know where you are 24 hours a day. There would always be scanners around. Since they removed the money, every single transaction you ever made would be recorded. Gas station, super market, a bet with your friend, your income, absolutely everything goes through that chip.

So once they have that power, what stops them from imposing whatever taxes they want, and just swiping it off your chip? What are you going to do, complain? Then they turn off your chip, now you can't buy food, you can't get shelter, you essentially could not interact with other humans.




They notice that you're going through the toll booths late at night (you work late for extra cash). The prosecutor says obviously you're not at home looking after the kids (because you're at work past their bedtime). Although you're a good parent trying to earn extra cash so they can have luxuries like a new Xbox etc. Everything can be twisted against you.


HAHA Extra cash? That's gone after chips are implemented, there would be no paper money ANYWHERE. If you are working for anyone for some "extra cash" it would be logged, and taxed. Every time. There would be no such thing as pretending you lended the money to them, because the chips would all your transactions, so they would KNOW you were working for profit.

If we ever come to a point where humans are chipped globally and cash is removed from society, I don't want to live in that society.



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by Dmac84
But we still would have our privacy. The government can find us now, it will just be easier for them to find us with a chip. So its really any less private. We have SSNs, Credit Card Transactions, bills, and address etc, whats one more thing?


Yes, because not everybody has bills, credit cards, or an address, a phone, or who uses their ssn. I don't. All that stuff is more voluntary submission to slavery. I'm not a number, and i refuse the ones supposedly assigned to me by those who think they own me.



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 04:57 AM
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Although i agree, i still am against the chip, but it's too late.

Go hide in the mountains or woods to run away from the chip and take your fancy, GPS enabled phone with you and see what happens - People already accepted the chip in a way or another.

People already get all kinds of scanned when they travel, can't get anything unless you have a credit score, and the list goes on. I'd say it's too late to fear being tagged, that ship has sailed a long time ago..

People only fear it because it has to be implanted in my opinion, if they had to carry it around their necks im pretty sure everyone would want one.



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 05:16 AM
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They won't be getting any chip in me. Not only do i not trust the goverment, and disstrust their motives even more. I have no faith in their ability to carry out such a large scale project without comepletly effing it up.

Seriously, to the OP, do you really want all your details, your bank records/doctor/dentist records/shopping history and what ever else this thing will have, available to the first set of criminals to crack it open? I know i don't. Yes, they can watch over my back at the ATM and get details, but i can combat that myself. yes, I can still be a victim of identity theft if I'm not careful about the disposure of my bills. But again, that falls down to me. The second you hand all of that power over to TPTB, you're screwed one way or another. And if per chance, you don't like the system, and protest about it, they could just switch you off. No money, no health care, no rights. NO WAY!!



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 06:00 AM
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This has nothing to do with the freaking Bible.

It's about them being able to track your every move. To alter your brainwaves with their radio frequencies. Wake up.

Plus, we know that THEY won't take the chip. Jacqui Smith in the UK has been looking to introduce ID cards, but refuses to have one herself. Double standards, my friend. It's a top-down system.

[edit on 30-4-2009 by nwocollapse]



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 06:30 AM
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Just look around.. I live in the UK so where do I see RFID at the moment?

1. Passport (embedded in rear cover)
2. My recycle bin (Although that has now been removed by me)
3. CD/DVD covers
4. Credit card (Maybe?)
5. Shop loyalty cards (Most probably)
6. Library books (Definitely)

Some can be only 1mm square.. Just have a look at the RFID patents and you'll get an idea of where they want this to go.



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by UKWO1Phot
Some can be only 1mm square.. Just have a look at the RFID patents and you'll get an idea of where they want this to go.


Yup. Imagine Google Earth, but with real people and objects on it, in real time.



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 07:23 AM
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Our society created problems we unknowingly try to solve with more problems so no.

Who says it can help solve crime, yes but you it can also help crime. Someone in power or helped by hackers will know exactly where to find you, where you're most vulnerable to attack/abduct you.

[edit on 30-4-2009 by ahnggk]



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by Dmac84
And hell, it might even be to our benefit. What if (big what if but I like conspiracy theories) what if the end is coming in 2012, Niburu or whatever etc... and the people with the special chip get saved and go underground or something. Maybe this way they can find us when the time comes.


Riiight... because im gunna get in some underground base with all the sheeple that are chipped because the govrnment says it's in my best interests.


Who cares about the chip. None of your info is 'on the chip', it's the database they create with everyones info(like they don't already have it
.) Someone wouldn't need a card reader to get your information. They just need a computer, the internet and some skills to get everyones info.

The chip is just a number. The only reason it's a chip and not a bracelet with the number on it is becasue the bracelet can't track you.(without a chip in it atleast.)



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 11:55 PM
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im sorry that you are not seeing this as it really is.this chip is like a man in a trench coat following you around 24/7 and everything you say,do,look at,particapate in,glance at,anything you do is given to someone who runs off and tells someone else what you are doing.our forfathers could never have drempt of such a thing but this type of thing is what they came here to escape.you could say"they could find me if there was a earthquake or any disaster,or would know that im so close to death to not even bother looking for me.say you like a certain kind of sex that is illegal,you stop at the local porn store and buy a video of that sex and they are waiting for you at the door.are you free?this in know way is a good thing.maybe,just maybe,if you had this chip and you could activate it at YOUR OWN WILL or in TIMES OF PERIL,it would be awesome.the person with the chip should have power over it,not big brotherif it could be turned on and off at will and only used in emergencys,like when vital signs fell below life sustataining lvels would be awesome.more way's to use the chip wrong than right,and criminals that can hack the chip even know when your dead and can rob you of everything you spent your whole life building.thomas payne said it best"give me liberty or give me death"the day the goverment knows everything i do is he day i dissappear.noone needs to know my private life but me.if that cast me my life so be it.it is my life.i am not a sheep grazing in a certain field.i am who i am,iam where i wan't to be whather it is good for me or not.it is my choice.if you can't trust your own judgement and wan't the gov,to think for you.go ahead,that is there goal.free thinking is while you are here looking at this.pearl hatbor.viet nam,it's all lies.wake up !



posted on May, 1 2009 @ 12:40 AM
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RFID CHIPS WILL HAVE ALL YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION ON THEM LIKE DOB, CREDIT CARD, BANK BALANCE, ACCOUNT NUMBERS ITS ALL UNENCRYPTED AND IN PLAIN TEXT AND ALL A CRIMINAL WILL HAVE TO DO IS SCAN YOU AND THEN YOUR IDENTITY IS STOLEN! THE GOVERNMENT WILL TURN YOUR ABILITIES TO EXCHANGE MONEY AND THINGS THEYLL TURN YOUR ID CHIP OFF IF YOU EVEN VISIT A SITE LIKE ATS.

Yes, it's true! That's how it's going to work.



If the chip IS ever implemented, it will be implemented like taxes.

People might not like it, but they'll concede or pay the consequences.






[edit on 1-5-2009 by logician magician]



posted on May, 1 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by Dmac84
Whats everyone's problem with the RFID chip? Just curious?


I thought this one was pretty obvious...

Its a pain in the neck




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