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FBI E-Mail Says Bush Authorized Abuse of Iraqis

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posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 01:14 AM
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FBI E-Mail Says Bush Authorized Abuse of Iraqis


www.pubrecord.org

Senior FBI agents stationed in Iraq in 2004 claimed in an e-mail that President George W. Bush signed an executive order approving the use of military dogs, sleep deprivation and other harsh tactics to intimidate Iraqi detainees. The FBI e-mail — dated May 22, 2004 — followed disclosures about abuse of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison and sought guidance on whether FBI agents in Iraq were obligated to report the U.S. military’s harsh interrogation of inmates when that treatment violated FBI standards but fit within the guidelines of a presidential executive order.

According to the e-mail, Bush’s executive order authorized interrogators to use military dogs, “stress positions,” sleep “management,” loud music and “sensory deprivation through the use of hoods, etc.” to extract information from detainees in Iraq, which was considered a violation of the Geneva Conventions. Bush has never before been directly linked to authorizing specific interrogation techniques at Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib. Bush has admitted, however, that he personally signed off on the waterboarding of three “high-value” prisoners.

The May 2004 FBI e-mail stated that the FBI interrogation team in Iraq understood that despite revisions in the executive order that occurred after the furor over the Abu Ghraib abuses, the presidential sanctioning of harsh interrogation tactics had not been rescinded.
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posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 01:14 AM
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The occultists in government want us to shut up & stay submissive while they pass the "hate-crime bill" & torture innocent and harmless people for crimes they did not (and never would want to) commit against humanity.

We are being attacked by the tyrants in government, and they're lying to us about exactly what's happening in their facilities. They're all occultists & happy to torture innocent people. We must speak out against them, at all costs. We are not their toys! Only we can truly punish those, who pose as our world-leaders in government.

If you want to be free, you have to fight for it, until our common foes are unable to attack whatever they want to control (especially innocent & harmless children).

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[edit on 30-4-2009 by News And History]



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 01:38 AM
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Y'know 'm tired of all this Bush and Cheney bashing. Are they really all that bad? So they tortured, maybe planned 9/11, and robbed the coffers. But they dont have **** on Vlad the Impaler, or even Mao Tze Tung.

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posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by dashen
So they tortured, maybe planned 9/11, and robbed the coffers. But they dont have **** on Vlad the Impaler, or even Mao Tze Tung.



So... you're arguing that we shouldn't scrutinize our leaders until they're as bad as the some of the most evil people in history?

... lets just turn a blind eye? Because they're not yet 100% evil.

Forget our own problems, because at some point in history, somewhere in the world, someone did something worse?



Sounds ingenious.
We're agreed then, we won't complain until the majority of our neighbors are impaled on pikes.

They can torture the heck out of us...
... but we don't have the right to complain, because we're not dangling up high with our innards spilling out on a pike for everyone to see?




I'd love to see you in court... you'd be a laugh riot.

"Your honor, my client shouldn't be punished for rape and manslaughter because, you see... Vlad the impaler stuck people on pikes."

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posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 02:05 AM
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By the way, yes he authorized it, but it was also signed by most of the democrats now trying to prosecute them. Including Pelosi, so you can demonize all you want, but the fact is that EVERYTHING that was done was legal, and went past a board and was DEEMED legal, by people on BOTH sides of the party lines. So if you are going to sit here and judge Bush , maybe you should judge your own party too!

I am willing to bet, that when the time comes and people start asking for documents on EVERYONE who signed the authorization to use those procedures, they suddenly come up missing or cant be found.......want to know why? Because the people who want to charge the last administration dont want to be caught up in the b.s. because they TOO were a part of it......hypocritical



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 02:18 AM
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When will they be tried for war crimes? And who in their right mind still supports these guys, these monsters..?

We know they were involved in 9/11, and the war in Iraq itself could be described as a war crime. So much death and destruction, and no accountibility? C'mon.

They should be placed under arrest and tried - what a wonderful signal that would send to the world, re-establishing the moral authority of the USA.

Obama's refusal to prosecute is itself a violation of international law.

Let law and order be re-eastablished. Arrest Bush and Cheney.



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 02:36 AM
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IF you are going to hold those two responsible then hold all of them .......

In December 2007, the Washington Post reported that in 2002 Pelosi, who was a member of the House Intelligence Committee during Bush’s first term, Sen. Bob Graham, D-FL, and Rep. Jane Harman, D-CA, and a handful of Republican lawmakers, were “given a virtual tour of the CIA’s overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make the prisoners talk.”

“Among the techniques described [to the lawmakers], said two officials present, was water-boarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill,” the Post reported. “But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two US officials said.”

The Post story also made identical claims that Hayden and Mukasey leveled in their column: that Pelosi and other Democratic leaders were privately briefed at least 30 times. Those briefings, according to the Post, “included descriptions of [water-boarding] and other harsh interrogations methods.”



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 02:59 AM
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1. Just because 'both sides of the line' approve something does NOT make it legal in the world court.

Thats the stupidest precedent I keep hearing.

'' Its not illegal, congress approved it ''
'' its not illegal, the democrats went along with it ''

just because the third reich and its opposing party agreed to the detention and slaughter of the jews, doesnt make it legal now does it.


but,

Hoods, sleep depravation, dogs..

If this is torture, then what a bunch of nancies.

The only thing I personally beleive to be a method of torture is waterboarding. the rest is using someones fears against them.
thats allowable.



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posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 03:55 AM
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in 1947 a japanese officer was sentenced to 15 years hard labour for war crimes


his ccrime? he waterboarded someone


in 2009 the usa has been caught doing exactly the same thing and is telling the world `so what`



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
IF you are going to hold those two responsible then hold all of them .......


Sure.

Do you really believe that liberals would stand behind these people if they are proven guilty ???

I believe that you underestimate them a bit ...

You would surprised if you knew how many of them dislike Pelosi.

Whatever bad move Obama makes, she will justify it, just like she somehow justified everything Bush did. She goes with the flow, therefore, an absolute puppet and slave to ambition to keep her precious position.

I would be glad to see her doing time (it certainly would take that "forever" smile off her face) ...

Enough said


Water boarding is a torture and a war crime, there is really no debate about this, only delusional and sick people call it something else (if somebody you know "declared" that rape is not a form of torture, what would you think about such individual?).

However, the really big problem is what lies underneath.

When poop hits the fan (if ever), many atrocities worse, or should I dare to say, much worse then water boarding will surface up, IMO, what they are revealing to the public is only tip of the iceberg. Water boarding is there to be distraction from the REAL stuff.

The biggest atrocities are almost never documented (unless those who did it are exceptionally "proud" by it) and evidence is usually more or less carefully destroyed.

The point is, things they do to us should never be an excuse to retaliate in the similar fashion (and than dare to call it legal), but a challenge to stay true to our principals, our humanity, morals and obligations to the world, that very world in which we have important role and in which we are the beacon of freedom and justice for ALL (allegedly
).

Is USA is gonna prove to the world and it's own people, once again, that it does not have balls to face it's own lies ?

Only time will tell ...



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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Hey common guys, seriously now, you think that they should be put on trial for war crimes, i mean common..!

Fair enough he did state to the world that Iraq could launch scud missiles with anthrax, capable of hitting any european country,( I think he was really off his face at the white house partying with his buddy's and thought, hey dudes and dudets , lets tell the world this, they will believe us, im the f**king president of the united sates). Then another adviser who was also to close to the fumes thought " hey lets tell them that they have WMD, they will believe us, its coming from the white house"

All in all, i think the guy was just playing around and did not mean any harm, sheez, cant you guys take a joke..!



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 09:18 AM
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