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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 02:45 PM by Champagne
1918 flu resulted in current lineage of H1N1 swine influenza viruses, study says


In 1918 a human influenza virus known as the Spanish flu spread through the central United States while a swine respiratory disease occurred concurrently. A Kansas State University researcher has found that the virus causing the pandemic was able to infect and replicate in pigs, but did not kill them, unlike in other mammalian hosts like monkeys, mice and ferrets where the infection has been lethal.


Found this on FluTrackers. For the study, the researchers used the 1918 pandemic virus and a 1930 H1N1 influenza virus for experimental infections in swine. The 1930 virus was chosen as a virus because it is thought to be a descendent of the 1918 virus, Richt said.

It is scheduled to come out in May, 2009...........






reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 02:46 PM by mattifikation
reply to post by OpenMind88


It's about the ratios. There were 36,000 deaths.. but what, a million or so cases of regular flu? Most people who catch regular flu are going to be fine, unless they were already on the brink of death or have no access to health care.

Swine Flu has a much higher mortality rate than that. Also, it's a new virus. We have no immunity. That means it has the potential to spread much easier than other strains of the flu. The increased virulence could simply create more cases than our health care system can handle at a time, and that could delay medical attention to those who need it.

Lack of medical attention, of course, is yet another problem that might increase the death toll.


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 02:49 PM by daersoulkeeper
reply to post by Champagne


DONT TAKE TAMIFLU WHAT KIND OF ADVICE IS THIS??!?! OMG!! they have been preparing tamiflu for years and then this happens and sales go up 600% and your going to take tamiflu? ARE YOU FRIGGIN RETARDED?

STAY AWAY!!!!!!!!!!! FROM ANY VACCINE!!!!!


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 02:52 PM by Unnoan
Originally posted by mattifikation
reply to post by OpenMind88


It's about the ratios. There were 36,000 deaths.. but what, a million or so cases of regular flu? Most people who catch regular flu are going to be fine, unless they were already on the brink of death or have no access to health care.

Swine Flu has a much higher mortality rate than that. Also, it's a new virus. We have no immunity. That means it has the potential to spread much easier than other strains of the flu. The increased virulence could simply create more cases than our health care system can handle at a time, and that could delay medical attention to those who need it.

Lack of medical attention, of course, is yet another problem that might increase the death toll.


anything to back up the whole "Swine Flu has a much higher mortality rate than that"? because i am not seeing it. of course you can not actually get into rates a week or two after an outbreak of anything, at least not reliable rates.

and we never have immunity to seasonal flu strains - it mutates on purpose to avoid those year after year.



reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 03:15 PM by mattifikation
Well, the best I can do at the moment is wikipedia since I'm getting ready to get out, but:

In the U.S. during an average year, there are approximately 50 million cases of "normal" flu leading to around 36,000 deaths, mostly to extremely young, old, or frail persons, with a large percentage of those due to complications such as pneumonia.

en.wikipedia.org...

That's about 9 out of every 12,500 cases. By contrast, there's been 3,000 suspected cases of Swine Flu so far, with over 150 suspected deaths.

Now, take into account that those are only "suspected" deaths, and that so far all the deaths have been in Mexico. So I'm not saying "panic, panic!" I'm just saying be concerned. Wash your hands, stay healthy, the usual.


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 03:40 PM by drphilxr
reply to post by Champagne


this is extra ordinary, to my physician ear all of this

is plausible and more.

just forwarded to our infection control chief physician.

awaiting a reply.

the rx suggestions are priceless, and i have noted

many times before our hospital discussions about the

inadequate number of ventilators for just such an outbreak.

avoid crowds is right!

thank-you

dr. philip kousoubris


Mod Note: All Caps – Please Review This Link.


[edit on Fri May 1 2009 by Jbird]


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 03:43 PM by irishchic
reply to post by Realtruth


I agree withe "do research" as you would/should with ANYTHING you take that is a controlled substance.
There have been some very nasty side-effects associated with Tamiflu.


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 03:54 PM by Namaste
reply to post by emsed1


I checked out the site you referenced to, and contrary to what you have said, it has confirmation of the e-mail. His number is posted on the bottom. One person called that number, and confirmed the legitimacy of the aforementioned e-mail.

Godspeed
dillon



reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 03:58 PM by Champagne
Originally posted by Namaste
reply to post by emsed1


I checked out the site you referenced to, and contrary to what you have said, it has confirmation of the e-mail. His number is posted on the bottom. One person called that number, and confirmed the legitimacy of the aforementioned e-mail.

Godspeed
dillon



Can you provide a link to this, please?? Thank you in advance........




reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 04:08 PM by drphilxr
reply to post by Champagne


my chief of infection control at our large tertiary

clinic in ma told me "this is not a reliable source of information."

now i am even more intrigued. he gave no reassuring factoids.

once there is a who 6 with public place shutdown as mentioned no one will be speculating anymore.

thanks again for the best post on this i have seen so far!
dr phil


Mod Note: All Caps – Please Review This Link.

[edit on Fri May 1 2009 by Jbird]


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 04:16 PM by emac01
reply to post by drphilxr


What isn't a reliable source of information? Are you referring to the email which began this thread?
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