So what happens when the WHO Declares a pandemic level 6?, page 7
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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 10:36 AM by secretagent woooman
reply to post by son of PC


That is standard protocol, a trip I was suppposed to take in 2006 to India
was cancelled due to SARS. A good call because the hotel next to the one we were supposed to stay at partially blew up the day we were supposed to arrive in a terrorist attack. Not sorry to have missed that!


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 10:42 AM by SourGrapes
Originally posted by FredT

As I noted in another thread also many hospitals are not able to test for the virus to that detail. They can do a Influenza A/B test but not specific as to what it is so it has to be sent out out to a location that does it. That can take days and those centers that do do it are inundated now hence the lag.


Based on personal observation, I believe they are reporting cases at the following levels:

'suspect' = patient's symptoms coincide with CDC's symptom guidelines, Swine Flu cannot be ruled out.

'probable' = patient tested positive for Influenza A, so given the current infectious epidemic it is most likely Swine Flu, test sent to WHO lab for official H1N1 testing

'confirmed' = Positive H1N1 test from CDC, or WHO, laboratory

(Everything above and below are personal accounts, observations, opinions and mostly memory. These threads are moving faster than the virus, and I want others, especially those in the medical field - FREDT - to chime in.)

Doctors are required to report infectious, possible epidemic cases per CDC guidelines. Most of the flu testing will be off-site, usually a University or larger metropolitan hospital. So, once it leaves the Dr. Office or other medical office, the sample is now a 'suspected' case which is required to be reported to CDC. I worry that many physicians will simply prescribe anti-viral, without sending for lab work or going through the CDC guidelines. How many went unreported, only a week ago?

I believe there are only four labs labs worldwide, two in the U.S., that are testing for the H1N1. Can you imagine how backed up they are? I'm sure the suspected cases in areas that are already confirmed, like Mexico) are pushed to the side and the cases coming in from new areas are taking priority. They'll probably focus on samples coming in that will update them on where the virus has spread, suspected deaths, it's generation, and how it's changing or mutating. So, we may not hear anything other than, "we have __ number of new suspected cases" or "__ number of probable cases" for certain areas.

This may be what we are seeing in Mexico, not that the virus is running it's course but that it's not longer precedent in the WHO labs. That is unless, it shows signs of later generational (3rd, 4th, etc) or signs of mutation.

I'm doing some searching back through old H5N1 notes now and will post more later, but I think I know the reason for worldwide hysteria in governments and disease laboratories.

Strictly by memory (reason for my going back through notes): I believe the 'Bird Flu' (H5N1) caused such a ruckus because of it's mortality rate. Was it 90%, or something like that? Well, the thing saving us from it's wrath on humankind, was that it was not easily transmissible to humans. If a human caught it, it died off with its host. The scare was based on the possibility of H5N1 mutating with a human virus (or swine) that is highly contagious and spreads rapidly, like TB.

I also think that why the Dr's who originally tested the H1N1 were so perplexed and made comments referring to its possibility of being bio-engineered. A swine/human/bird virus? Just out of nowhere? We were scared of a bird/human virus!

Anyway, stick with me...

What if the REAL fear is this mutating with the H5N1? Are they closing schools, and other misc., to slow it's spread, not necessarily to contain it, while they work on a vaccine?

If it does mutate with H5N1, will it be as viral and highly contagious as H1N1 with the mortality rate of the H5N1?

Given this theory, wouldn't it be an advantage to be exposed to this current swine virus? Would exposure, with full recovery,to the H1N1 virus increase our chance of survival; if or when it mutates with the H5N1.




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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 10:46 AM by SourGrapes
reply to post by antar



Oh my, I am so sorry, antar! My thoughts are with you, and your family. I'm sending good vibes for your reservoir, or energy pool!

Will they at least test for Influenza A?


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 10:49 AM by gusan
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Yes, i agree on the 1%. BUT, dont you wonder why all the numbers and all information is so very very poor? WHO going to level 5 moving to 6th on this? Would this 7 deaths be enough for WHO reacting this way?
I assume the WHO not only looks at deaths, but also at how the virus spreads, how it infects and so on. Still, information is very very poor from all corners of the world. Media is calling a simple suspision for a "case", and any death is being related to the virus even when there is no connection or suspision from the authority.

I wonder how we are going to manage a real pandemic, when the real avian flu pandemic hits us, mainstream media information will have no credibility at all. And if what we have is only ATS then we are in troble lol.


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 10:58 AM by son of PC
Originally posted by secretagent woooman
reply to
post by son of PC


That is standard protocol, a trip I was suppposed to take in 2006 to India
was cancelled due to SARS. A good call because the hotel next to the one we were supposed to stay at partially blew up the day we were supposed to arrive in a terrorist attack. Not sorry to have missed that!


A few years ago some *snip* dug up some dead people from the 1918 Spanish Flu to study it. To play with it like it was a toy.

This could be the very same flu we are looking at now. I believe it is.




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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 11:01 AM by secretagent woooman
reply to post by antar


A cousin's boyfriend in Ohio developed what they thought was a severe case of gastric reflux on Monday and was taken to the ER. He's now is intensive care and being tested for several viruses and botulism, he's got all sorts of weird symptoms like proximal numbness and inability to swallow. Someone at the gym yesterday mentioned hearing about a similar case elsewhere but she never named the city. It sounds like there are multiple viruses going around.


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 11:05 AM by secretagent woooman
reply to post by son of PC


That's normal, epidemiologists take samples from mass burials uncovered during archealogical expeditions to study the development and progression of illnesses. It is the only way to obtain a sample
without a blood or live tissue sample which do degrade over time.



reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 11:19 AM by drphilxr
reply to post by Melissa101



I am in the same dilemma - to bug out or not to bug out.

I am a physician in the Boston area, and after dropping off

daughter at bus stop saw lady with mask on driving her benz....

Mexico city is shut down. Completely. Cases are plateauing there.

We should have a 5 day quarantine NOW, not to do so would

be political suicide if a significant amount of deaths occur.

The 1918 panepidemic started innocuously like this one, to return

in the fall with a vengeance.

Quarantine, by staying at home, is the only way to allow it to fizzle out.

Otherwise its spread will be geometric!


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 11:22 AM by drphilxr
reply to post by observe50



Check out the BBC diary of a doctor, the Mexico ER doc is telling it like it is,

i know, everyone in my clinic is starting to panic now. And we are

health care workers. A nearby smaller hospital has fitted all staff with

improved respirators - we are in a (temporary i hope) information

lull that is not helping.


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 11:26 AM by drphilxr
reply to post by SourGrapes



There may not be any cross immunity protection with H5N1 from

this H1N1 as hemagglutinin (H) is the major protectant (Ab) inducing antigen.

Classic seasonal flu is H3N2, our last vaccine round.

Yes, its makes sense that to get infected now would be an early,

milder 'auto-innoculation' rather than wait till H5 mixes with H1...

BUT the best policy is to not get it at all, then get the proper non-rushed

vaccine next year...or something like that.
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