So what happens when the WHO Declares a pandemic level 6?

Originally posted by Elepheagle
It's all over...just had reports about it showing up here in Wisconsin, with school closings, etc. Most college campuses that had departmental trips to Mexico have been canceled.

Keep an eye on VP Biden. He may be getting better briefings from the CIA than the POTUS.

Biden seems to feel that the outbreak is real. Obama says not to panic.

Biden would be the better poker player. By being honest he would fool you.

Originally posted by gusan

You have 1 death out of 91 infections (death mexican girl in texas i think) that is about 1%
In mexico you have 26 infections and 7 deaths..
Total is 148 infections confirmed and 8 deaths...far from 10% rate..more like 5%.


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A 1% death rate would be very bad. IF only 25% of US caught it that would kill 750,000 in a short period of time. (0.25% of US pop)

that tsunami killed 250,000.

5% would kill 3.75 million if only 25% caught it in the US. (1.25% of US pop)

that 36,000 annual flu deaths everyone talks about is 0.012% of the US population.

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This reeks of agenda. The people cannot simply give something like this the benefit of the doubt anymore.
It's so obviously staged. A pre-arrangement of symbiotic profit, an great opportunity to weaken the masses, weaken them to the point of poverty or death, make money, and if needed "quarantine" them in FEMA camps, and it's all possible. I believe that we are either uninformed as to the real destruction of this flu, and/or that our fear and responses are being tested for something greater. Sort of like the plane in NYC. The world is being tested for global disaster. Sadly we can only prepare for all facets and keep eyes and ears open.

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That is standard protocol, a trip I was suppposed to take in 2006 to India
was cancelled due to SARS. A good call because the hotel next to the one we were supposed to stay at partially blew up the day we were supposed to arrive in a terrorist attack. Not sorry to have missed that!

Here's a thought, just because they are saying this is happening in all these locations do we as the people know this is the truth?

I know I go by what the news says but I live on the East Coast so I don't know what is going on over in the West Coast or on the Planet unless I get it from the news.

I thought it was a good catch about the masks that weren't being used bu that Doctor..... where you would think they should be used. I bet the government is watching and reading the net and now these people will be wearing the masks.

I'm still going with it isn't flu season.........doesn't make sense........ something stinks.

This is what is so frustrating for me. People keep saying well seasonal flu kills up to 30,000 a year so what' the big deal?

What is it about NEW FLU STRAIN that doesn't make sense? We have NO immunity unlike seasonal which comes around every year and we have antibodies to some degree.

Do research on past pandemics - it's out there 1968 Hong Kong killed 1 million, 1957?, and 1918. It's a natural occurance! It happens and will happen again and just because we are in the technological / computer age and have advanced in many areas I see that people are still idiots.

Please visit the link below and fill up and educate yourselves because whether it's this strain or another eventually a pandemic will happen.

www.globalsecurity.org...

My 94 year old precious grandpa went into the hospital yesterday for a procedure and was kept for observation, he is now febrile, vomiting and diahreaha... the hopital has called in the infectious desease specialist and they do not plan to test him for h1n1!

Notice there are no cases in mo. and typically we never get officially sick!

I am freaking out here!

Originally posted by FredT

As I noted in another thread also many hospitals are not able to test for the virus to that detail. They can do a Influenza A/B test but not specific as to what it is so it has to be sent out out to a location that does it. That can take days and those centers that do do it are inundated now hence the lag.

Based on personal observation, I believe they are reporting cases at the following levels:

'suspect' = patient's symptoms coincide with CDC's symptom guidelines, Swine Flu cannot be ruled out.

'probable' = patient tested positive for Influenza A, so given the current infectious epidemic it is most likely Swine Flu, test sent to WHO lab for official H1N1 testing

'confirmed' = Positive H1N1 test from CDC, or WHO, laboratory

(Everything above and below are personal accounts, observations, opinions and mostly memory. These threads are moving faster than the virus, and I want others, especially those in the medical field - FREDT - to chime in.)

Doctors are required to report infectious, possible epidemic cases per CDC guidelines. Most of the flu testing will be off-site, usually a University or larger metropolitan hospital. So, once it leaves the Dr. Office or other medical office, the sample is now a 'suspected' case which is required to be reported to CDC. I worry that many physicians will simply prescribe anti-viral, without sending for lab work or going through the CDC guidelines. How many went unreported, only a week ago?

I believe there are only four labs labs worldwide, two in the U.S., that are testing for the H1N1. Can you imagine how backed up they are? I'm sure the suspected cases in areas that are already confirmed, like Mexico) are pushed to the side and the cases coming in from new areas are taking priority. They'll probably focus on samples coming in that will update them on where the virus has spread, suspected deaths, it's generation, and how it's changing or mutating. So, we may not hear anything other than, "we have __ number of new suspected cases" or "__ number of probable cases" for certain areas.

This may be what we are seeing in Mexico, not that the virus is running it's course but that it's not longer precedent in the WHO labs. That is unless, it shows signs of later generational (3rd, 4th, etc) or signs of mutation.

I'm doing some searching back through old H5N1 notes now and will post more later, but I think I know the reason for worldwide hysteria in governments and disease laboratories.

Strictly by memory (reason for my going back through notes): I believe the 'Bird Flu' (H5N1) caused such a ruckus because of it's mortality rate. Was it 90%, or something like that? Well, the thing saving us from it's wrath on humankind, was that it was not easily transmissible to humans. If a human caught it, it died off with its host. The scare was based on the possibility of H5N1 mutating with a human virus (or swine) that is highly contagious and spreads rapidly, like TB.

I also think that why the Dr's who originally tested the H1N1 were so perplexed and made comments referring to its possibility of being bio-engineered. A swine/human/bird virus? Just out of nowhere? We were scared of a bird/human virus!

Anyway, stick with me...

What if the REAL fear is this mutating with the H5N1? Are they closing schools, and other misc., to slow it's spread, not necessarily to contain it, while they work on a vaccine?

If it does mutate with H5N1, will it be as viral and highly contagious as H1N1 with the mortality rate of the H5N1?

Given this theory, wouldn't it be an advantage to be exposed to this current swine virus? Would exposure, with full recovery,to the H1N1 virus increase our chance of survival; if or when it mutates with the H5N1.




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Originally posted by Melissa101
In my personal opinion the best thing to do right now is shut everything down for 7 to 14 days. People should stay home, schools should close and only people with dire emergencies should be out. I am scared noe because the flu has now hit my state. It was just on the 10:00pm news that a confirmed case has been found in Tennessee and Alabama. This thing is spreading like fire and the CDC says they expect deaths. At what point does the government say enough is enough. How many people have to become sick or die before they do issue a shut down? I do not want to send my daughter to school. Am I over reacting? Or do others feel the same way?

If the government chooses to quarantine, it definately won't be for 7-14 days. Soon it turns to a month and then it turns into an excuse to impement martial law "for the public's own saftey". It will all go downhill if a quarantine is issued - I think anyone can agree with that.

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Oh my, I am so sorry, antar! My thoughts are with you, and your family. I'm sending good vibes for your reservoir, or energy pool!

Will they at least test for Influenza A?

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Yes, i agree on the 1%. BUT, dont you wonder why all the numbers and all information is so very very poor? WHO going to level 5 moving to 6th on this? Would this 7 deaths be enough for WHO reacting this way?
I assume the WHO not only looks at deaths, but also at how the virus spreads, how it infects and so on. Still, information is very very poor from all corners of the world. Media is calling a simple suspision for a "case", and any death is being related to the virus even when there is no connection or suspision from the authority.

I wonder how we are going to manage a real pandemic, when the real avian flu pandemic hits us, mainstream media information will have no credibility at all. And if what we have is only ATS then we are in troble lol.

I think its a bio-warfare game against us, we stay in and dont spend frightened to go out glued to our t.v shrinking the economy and our minds.
All in the name of speeding along their N.W.O, we had a bad case of snow here in the u.k earlier this year it was the same thing if you ask me.

Originally posted by secretagent woooman
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That is standard protocol, a trip I was suppposed to take in 2006 to India
was cancelled due to SARS. A good call because the hotel next to the one we were supposed to stay at partially blew up the day we were supposed to arrive in a terrorist attack. Not sorry to have missed that!

A few years ago some *snip* dug up some dead people from the 1918 Spanish Flu to study it. To play with it like it was a toy.

This could be the very same flu we are looking at now. I believe it is.



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A cousin's boyfriend in Ohio developed what they thought was a severe case of gastric reflux on Monday and was taken to the ER. He's now is intensive care and being tested for several viruses and botulism, he's got all sorts of weird symptoms like proximal numbness and inability to swallow. Someone at the gym yesterday mentioned hearing about a similar case elsewhere but she never named the city. It sounds like there are multiple viruses going around.

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That's normal, epidemiologists take samples from mass burials uncovered during archealogical expeditions to study the development and progression of illnesses. It is the only way to obtain a sample
without a blood or live tissue sample which do degrade over time.

What we really have to watch for is this particular strain to reach areas in Asia where H5N1 is active and it then mutates to a form that takes on further H5N1 traits and lethality or the possibility that this strain may already have enough genetic traits as it sits to become more lethal. These more lethal traits may already be buried away in its genetic makeup but are simply dormant at this time.

For those of you that are educated in microbiology: If this is an engineered virus, would it be possible to engineer it to spread throughout the world and trigger other present genes at a later time after a dispersal phase?

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Phew.

I figure when my number's up, that's it. I will continue to eat healthy and drink lots of water; and continue to tell myself that I simply won't get sick, the very strategy that has left me with absolutely NO ailments this winter for the first time in my entire life. Not even a small cold did I catch; and I work on a college campus where I come into contact with hundreds of students every single day.

This winter, I became sick and tired (no pun intended) of checking my Facebook, as daily I had dozens of students and friends with status updates complaining about being sick.

That said, I'll be baffled about Phase 6. At the same time I hope they shut things down for a little while, give us all a free staycation. I've really been getting deep into daily quests in WoW since patch 3.1. I'd thoroughly enjoy some time off.

Will probably stock up on water and canned goods soon, just for kicks, then take the rest in stride.

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I am in the same dilemma - to bug out or not to bug out.

I am a physician in the Boston area, and after dropping off

daughter at bus stop saw lady with mask on driving her benz....

Mexico city is shut down. Completely. Cases are plateauing there.

We should have a 5 day quarantine NOW, not to do so would

be political suicide if a significant amount of deaths occur.

The 1918 panepidemic started innocuously like this one, to return

in the fall with a vengeance.

Quarantine, by staying at home, is the only way to allow it to fizzle out.

Otherwise its spread will be geometric!

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Check out the BBC diary of a doctor, the Mexico ER doc is telling it like it is,

i know, everyone in my clinic is starting to panic now. And we are

health care workers. A nearby smaller hospital has fitted all staff with

improved respirators - we are in a (temporary i hope) information

lull that is not helping.

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There may not be any cross immunity protection with H5N1 from

this H1N1 as hemagglutinin (H) is the major protectant (Ab) inducing antigen.

Classic seasonal flu is H3N2, our last vaccine round.

Yes, its makes sense that to get infected now would be an early,

milder 'auto-innoculation' rather than wait till H5 mixes with H1...

BUT the best policy is to not get it at all, then get the proper non-rushed

vaccine next year...or something like that.