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reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 11:37 PM by freedomataprice
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Well here is my issue.
I am currently out of town due to a death in the family(not flu related) should I try for home(a days drive from here) or stay put?
I think I will head home, but man it would suck to get stuck away from everything I have at home if they make some massive deceleration.
I am 500 miles from home traveling with kids!
Bug out bags in the car tho.
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reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 11:38 PM by FredT
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You know 4-5 years ago I would have said you were nuts and put you on ignore (I actually cannot do that as mod  ) but nothing these days would
surprise me.
Be carefull in the hospital 
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reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 11:41 PM by FredT
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Get home. Thats what I would do. Even with BOB in the car its far better to shelter in your own home and much better for the kids than being stuck
somewhere IMHO
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reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 11:44 PM by marg6043
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You know you love my conspirator mind  my neighbor across the street works in the hospital pharmacy she is the one that got me into volunteer in
the hospital, I will ask her tomorrow if is anything been kept hidden from the public.
Still I found this news,
In Mexico City, Mayor Marcelo Ebrard said the swine flu outbreak in city seems to be stabilizing and if the death toll keeps tapering off, he says
he will consider easing the citywide shutdown. Ebrard has closed down virtually all aspects of public life at the epicenter of the epidemic, at
tremendous cost to the economy.
www.usatoday.com...
Humm, what you think he is lying?
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reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 11:45 PM by drsmooth23
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It really can be just a mindset. If you walk around focused on sickness, eventually you might get sick, but if you are smart and think positive then
you might find some beauty in life. I try to understand the mantra; Everything happens for a reason.
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reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 11:45 PM by nerbot
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I cannot think of a better way to gather extensive DNA samples by the powers that be.
Are people going to be branded "health terrorists"?
They'll have to fight me for mine. 
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reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 11:45 PM by silo13
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What happens?
*Ring* vaccinations will be implemented country wide.
Mandatory - forced - vaccinations - especially when you consider the USA has never leveled to 6 before.
And don't forget folks, the government has already given the drug companies COMPLETE immunity for ALL vaccinations.
So if they kill ya, so what...
Don't take the needle.
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reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 11:48 PM by FredT
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We have a doc that in mexico city right now and he says that they have under reported cases and deaths because they fear that the hospital will be
swamped, hospital staff will leave and ensuing chaos will turn the huge city to anacrchy.
However, he also says that the city is pretty much shut down and in that case the transmission rate would drop as well.
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reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 11:53 PM by marg6043
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Fred, you know that the numbers given in the media and the ones been given by the WHO do not match right?
No that I trust the media or the WHO.
29 April 2009 -- The situation continues to evolve rapidly. As of 18:00 GMT, 29 April 2009, nine countries have officially reported 148 cases of swine
influenza A/H1N1 infection. The United States Government has reported 91 laboratory confirmed human cases, with one death. Mexico has reported 26
confirmed human cases of infection including seven deaths.
www.who.int...
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reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 11:58 PM by FredT
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I know, but there will always be a lag IMHO. The local media is camped out in front of my hospital as we speak. Any reporter worth his salt will have
sources on the staff that feed them info. They will get the scoup before the ID department even begins the process of reporting the case.
As I noted in another thread also many hospitals are not able to test for the virus to that detail. They can do a Influenza A/B test but not specific
as to what it is so it has to be sent out out to a location that does it. That can take days and those centers that do do it are inundated now hence
the lag.
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reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 11:58 PM by antar
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It is going to be about creating fear for the control factor.
This will help the vaccine agenda go much smoother.
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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 12:53 AM by GreenBicMan
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God, couldnt agree more with this statement.
I would equate this to
Common Flu = Stage 5 World Catastrophe Meltdown
This is all BS IMO, and this is a push for **** UNI Healthcare in USA ****
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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 01:11 AM by GorehoundLarry
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Glad to know that the media has ATS by the balls.
I for one won't be living in fear. However, I do believe this flu outbreak is a serious situation. (super cereal I'm super cereal guys!) We just
can't be living in fear every day...
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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 01:25 AM by maddogron
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Hello all!! man this is getting goofy! but remember what i said in a previous thread i started.... my connection in washington told me that there is
a "really cool underground" bunker in washington at a FEMA location and his security would only take him so far... but he is aware of something big
being planned back in march 09.
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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 01:36 AM by CapsFan8
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Can they really get away with level 6 and marshal law, forced vaccinations and quarantines, and taking blood at checkpoints when no one in the US is
dying and with only a few dozen cases? People would and should riot.
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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 02:15 AM by reugen
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We already know that this virus is not a normal flu virus, its a mix of avian/human/swine, it transmits from human-to-human and our immune system can
not cope with it. This is why the WHO is acting early, the real breakout has not occured yet but the WHO knows what the virus is capable of.
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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 02:16 AM by stander
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
Level 6 would probably mean all non essential business/industry will stop for a period of time, we'll probably see people all over the world wearing
masks and gloves, store shelves might be bare due to certain imports or transportation holdups.. oh and schools would probably be closed..
Level 6 means that that the face mask you are wearing now (avatar) has to be made from thicker textile.
Level 10 . . . That gets really expensive.
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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 02:37 AM by Manawydan
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Well, the local newspaper's headline today reads: "Economists, happy to be out of the spotlight, entertain the idea of building a huge swine
monument". It's only funny because it's true.
World Health Organization: An agency of the United Nations established in 1948 to further international cooperation... is financed primarily from
annual contributions made by member governments on the basis of relative ability to pay
Source
I am not saying that the whole thing is made up, but there are several incentives for blowing the scare out of proportions. Big Pharma are top of the
list.
Are there any publicly accessible records as to who exactly contributes funds to the WHO? That would be interesting to look up.
Kind regards, M.
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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 03:04 AM by Morningglory
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They don't call it quarantine anymore the pc term is "social distancing." I found this document titled "SOCIAL DISTANCING SUPPORT GUIDELINES FOR
PANDEMIC READINESS"
It was put out by the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. www.cdphe.state.co.us...
This is not a plan. These guidelines are intended to provide direction and resources to local officials during the planning and implementation
phases of a pandemic emergency, while remaining general enough to allow for flexibility at the local level.
Social distancing is defined to include measures that increase the distance between individuals. These interventions can be applied to individuals,
large groups or an entire community or region. They are designed to reduce personal interactions and thereby the risk of disease transmission. Some
options include:
• Canceling events (concerts, movie theaters, etc.).
• Canceling school classes and events.
• Canceling church services and activities.
• Shutting down or limiting mass transit.
• Declaring “snow days”, asking everyone to stay home and closing “non-essential” businesses, schools, churches etc. “Non-essential”
means those facilities that do not maintain primary functions in the community.
Social distancing would be implemented during a health emergency when extraordinary measures are required to control the spread of disease or
infection.Be aware that state and federal laws may be modified, suspended or enacted in response to a pandemic.
From what I've read level 6 will involve the states implementing pandemic preparedness plans based on the federal guidelines in this document.
I really don't like what they are saying in the "assumptions" section
The following assumptions are provided as a basis for planning for social distancing in the event of a pandemic. These assumptions are specific to
influenza pandemic and are not universal to all emergencies.
• Officials and experts do not know how long a pandemic could last. Communities may be affected in waves that last between six and eight weeks that
may continue for up to 18 months.
• State and federal laws may be modified, suspended or enacted in response to a pandemic.
• Healthcare resources will likely be stretched beyond capacity.
• Up to 40% of your workforce may be absent at one time.
• Social and economic disruption is likely.
• If infected, people may be ill for approximately two weeks.
• Susceptibility to the outbreak is universal.
Idk this all kind of creeps me out. For whatever reason if it's decided we go to phase 6 would communities/states free of flu have to live this way
also? This document is dated March 2008.
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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 03:07 AM by violet
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FEMA Situation Report
April 29th
H1N1 Flu Outbreak Update
H1N1 Flu Outbreak - USA
The H1N1 Flu outbreak continues to grow in the United States and internationally. Tuesday, April 28 the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported 64
confirmed cases of H1N1 Flu in the U.S.: California (10); Texas (6); New York (45); Kansas (2); and Ohio (1). An additional 62 probable cases are
being tested: Texas (23); New York (12); Ohio (13); Massachusetts (2); Michigan (1); Indiana (1); New Jersey (5); Nevada (1); New Hampshire (1);
Arizona (2) and Illinois (1). Most confirmed and suspected cases of H1N1 Flu in the U.S. remain relatively mild. The CDC has not confirmed any deaths
related to H1N1 in the U.S.
The Pan American Health Organization / World Health Organization (PAHO/WHO) pandemic alert level remains at Phase 4. Phase 4 indicates that the
likelihood of a pandemic has increased. On Sunday, April 26, the Acting Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) declared a Public Health
Emergency (PHE) in the United States as a matter of preparedness in response to the current situation. The DHS Office of Health Affairs is working
with other Federal Partners to issue an Emergency Medical Service (EMS) and 9-1-1 specific guidance document to the nation's first responders.
One quarter of the Strategic National Stockpile of anti-viral medications, personal protective equipment, and respiratory protection devices is being
released to the states. Anti-virals are being deployed to New York City, Kansas, New York, California, Los Angeles County, Texas, Indiana, Ohio,
Louisiana, Utah and Arizona. Shipments to Colorado, Florida, Nevada, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington DC began Tuesday, April 28. Because it is so
new, there is no vaccine against A/H1N1 Flu, and this past year's flu vaccine does not provide protection against this strain. The CDC is taking
initial steps to begin the development of a vaccine, but a decision to do so has not been made yet. Once development begins it will take 4-6 months
for a vaccine to become available.
H1N1 Flu Outbreak - International
The Director-General of WHO determined the current events constitute a public health emergency of international concern, and recommended all countries
intensify surveillance for unusual outbreaks of influenza-like illness and severe pneumonia. (WHO Director-General Dr Margaret Chan, April 25, 2009)
Tuesday, April 28 the CDC reported there were 48 laboratory-confirmed cases of H1N1 Flu outside of the U.S.: Mexico (26); Canada (13); Spain (2); New
Zealand (3); Israel (2); and the United Kingdom (2). CDC reports 7 confirmed deaths in Mexico. An additional 190+ probable cases are being tested for
H1N1 Flu in Mexico (172+); Guatemala (3); Kenya (4); New Zealand (10); and Russia (1). The Mexican Ministry of Health requested U.S. assistance with
anti-viral medications and personal protective equipment. CDC experts in Mexico are working with Embassy, Mexico City, and local officials to clarify
Mexico's specific requirements. The Government of Mexico has closed schools and suspended all public events.
H1N1 Flu Outbreak - FEMA Response
Leadership is monitoring the current situation and participating in conferences and planning sessions to anticipate and respond to the anticipated
needs of State and local agencies. DHS Office of Health Affairs is engaged in providing DHS personnel with protective measures. FEMA NRCC is
maintaining contact with FEMA Regions, DHS, HHS/CDC, and other Federal and state partners. Select Regions are standing by or have activated personnel
in response to the Department of Health and Human Services nationwide Public Health Emergency Declaration:
Region I RRCC is coordinating with the New England States, HHS/CDC and Federal and State partners to determine potential requirements. All States in
the Region have a heightened awareness and are fully engaged in preparations should the outbreak enter New England. New Hampshire, Rhode Island and
Vermont EOCs are activated at Level II. Partial activation.
Region II RRCC increased their Watch staff and remains at a heighted watch status. A Region II LNO is deployed to the NYC OEM.
Region IV is currently at Level III (Partial Activation) in response to the Public Health Emergency.
Region V is coordinating with the activated EOCs of Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio to monitor and assist with the H1N1 response. Anti-virals and PPE has
been deployed to Indiana and Ohio. Ohio currently has 1 confirmed case of H1N1 flu and Indiana has 1 probable case.
Region IX is working with state and county EOCs in response to the H1N1 Flu outbreak. Governor of California declared a State of Emergency on April 28
to strengthen response capabilities and limit the spread of the outbreak.
Region X RRCC Regional Support Team (RST) and Emergency Support Functions (ESF) are on standby.
Travel Considerations related to H1N1 Flu Outbreak
The United States Embassy in Mexico suspended all visa and non-emergency American citizen services from April 27 - 30, 2009. CDC issued a Traveler's
Health Alert Notice and a Traveler's Health Warning, which recommends against nonessential travel to Mexico. PAHO/WHO does not recommend travel
restrictions at this time. (HHS SOC April 28, DHS Leadership Brief April 28, 6:00 p.m. EDT; CDC Update April 28, 9:00 p.m. EDT; PAHO/WHO Update on
Swine Influenza April 28, 2009, FEMA DSAR April 28)
FEMA
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