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Originally posted by WTFover
reply to post by evil incarnate
First of all, you brought up the idea we were safe during the Clinton era.
"The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a car bomb was detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City."
en.wikipedia.org...
This was one month into Clinton's Presidency. Why do you believe we were not attacked for the next 8 years 7 months?
Originally posted by WTFover
reply to post by evil incarnate
If you read all of my posts on this thread, you will not find where I have advocated the use of torture. That is your word. I do, however, believe in the effectiveness of enhanced interrogation techniques (if we must use labels). There is a difference. Even the Obama quote, in the OP, acknowledges not everyone agrees that water boarding is "torture".
Originally posted by WTFover
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Thank God Obama has brought America to the place where we have turned the corner back towards our values.
God Bless the USA, where we do NOT place American Lives higher than Human Rights!!!
Huh?
Have you heard Obama has not ended the Iraq war, as he promised you?
He has not closed Gitmo, as he promised you?
He decided the military tribunals for enemy combatants, as set up by the Bush administration, were not such a bad idea after all and is reinstituting them?
Where is this magical "corner" you speak of?
You should wake up to the fact that Obama's campaign rhetoric was just that. You will never see anyone prosecuted for the interrogation techniques used againt the terrorists.
Secondly, since when are American lives any less important than any one elses? Americans are not entitled to human rights?
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by WTFover
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
For example, if the only way you can save American Lives is through Human Rights violations, then let the Americans die, so that the American ideal can survive. And if it can't survive... then well it's dead already.
I believe "letting" Americans die is violating their "human rights".
How can the "American ideal" survive, without Americans?
Edit: Damn I thought I had this quote thing figured out.
[edit on 3-5-2009 by WTFover]
[edit on 3-5-2009 by WTFover]
Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by evil incarnate
You honestly think that those Japanese you keep referring to was executed only because of water boarding?
Water boarding was the appetizer to what layed in store for those who were tortured by the Japanese. It is very unlikely that water boarding was the only thing they were charged with.
Originally posted by evil incarnate
Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by evil incarnate
You honestly think that those Japanese you keep referring to was executed only because of water boarding?
Water boarding was the appetizer to what layed in store for those who were tortured by the Japanese. It is very unlikely that water boarding was the only thing they were charged with.
Care to cite that?
I can cite mine
Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by evil incarnate
Show me.
Show me that one person of Japanese decent was executed solely for waterboarding someone.
The wording says among the charges they include. Charges as in more then one.
But you take it how you want to. I want to see evidence.
That is a very specific request. Post it and then you can walk me through it smart guy.
In this country, Major Edwin Glenn was court-martialed and sentenced to ten years hard labor in 1901 for water boarding a prisoner in the Philippines during the Spanish-American War. The US officially outlawed the practice after World War II, because it had been used against Allied troops by the Gestapo and the Japanese Kempeitai. Indeed, eight Kempeitai officers were executed for water boarding British prisoners, and Japanese officer Yukio Asano was convicted by an Allied court of war crimes in 1947 for, among other things, water boarding John Henry Burton, a US civilian.
Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by evil incarnate
Show me.
Show me that one person of Japanese decent was executed solely for waterboarding someone.
The wording says among the charges they include. Charges as in more then one.
But you take it how you want to. I want to see evidence.
That is a very specific request. Post it and then you can walk me through it smart guy.
In this country, Major Edwin Glenn was court-martialed and sentenced to ten years hard labor in 1901 for water boarding a prisoner in the Philippines during the Spanish-American War. The US officially outlawed the practice after World War II, because it had been used against Allied troops by the Gestapo and the Japanese Kempeitai. Indeed, eight Kempeitai officers were executed for water boarding British prisoners, and Japanese officer Yukio Asano was convicted by an Allied court of war crimes in 1947 for, among other things, water boarding John Henry Burton, a US civilian.
The US officially outlawed the practice after World War II, because it had been used against Allied troops by the Gestapo and the Japanese Kempeitai.