Aliens of Ancient China, page 11


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reply posted on 2-5-2009 @ 03:45 PM by jkrog08
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If Historians would just take a peek at modern physics they might learn about how time works more like in waves or spirals than linear progression...and once they realize that, they might see "history" differently.


Very good point about time being dynamic and omnidirectional.BTW,I "DUGG" thewayiseeit and yours thread,maybe it'll get some more attention.


reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 01:15 AM by debris765nju
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If you are referencing the iron pipes at e.t. relics, the source you are quoting is tainted. The relics are 25 miles sw of delingha city which is among other things a prison farm for between 60 to 80 thousand political prisoners. I t is also where there mobile nuclear ICBM's are located. The pipes that were found irradiated was because of dumping nuclear waste in the salt lake. All these researchers go there but no one takes a camera. I think that is because they are afraid people will photograph the positions where they park their nuclear deterrents.


reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 02:29 AM by TheWayISeeIt
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Hi Debris -

I am not familiar with the source you are referencing, but if you have one you can link to (or refer to) please do so!

I used a link from a Chinese ex-pat journal that excerpts two different reports that the goverenment has, seemingly recticently, released over the last ten years since the site was 'discovered'.

I found both reports published independently respective to their time-frames, but as I have said with the pyramids there... anything is possible.

TWISI


reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 03:45 AM by Skyfloating
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I just read the Jade Emperor entry in Wikipedia...reads like science-fiction, involving travels into the Milky Way and back, constructing barriers disallowing space travel, etc.

Ancient Storytelling rarely sounds like coming from the minds of "undeveloped savages".


reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 03:47 AM by Skyfloating
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Thats nice of you, but I think in order to gain attention over at DIGG a few hundred DIGGS are required.


reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 04:30 AM by spacevisitor
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TheWayISeeIt, I saw I must offer you my apologize.

Because when I just start reading from page one again, I saw I made a terrible misread by overlooking the fact that this marvellous thread is a collaborative effort by YOU and Skyfloating.
Too bad I cannot change my earlier post now.
Sorry.


[edit on 3/5/09 by spacevisitor]


reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 06:12 AM by Freeborn
Originally posted by TheWayISeeIt
reply to
post by HiAliens



What is the date assigned to the "Man riding a dragon" pic you posted above? And nevermind the fish, what is that saucer like thing lying over his head?



But that is my point exactly, dismissing that which may contradict and concentrating on something that may be supportive merely provides ammunition for sceptics to dismiss ancient alien contact theories outright.

If it is to be taken seriously then there must be a plausible explanation for everything within the picture, including the fish, so the question is still pertinent.
What does the fish represent?

As for disclosure?
I would like to think that there is some sort of 'softening up' programme going on before disclosure, but my gut instinct tells me that people in general are still far too doubtful.
Yes, the Chinese seem more likely to be willing to accept


reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 07:46 AM by debris765nju
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Home >> Sci-Edu
UPDATED: 17:23, May 25, 2007
Probing into the "ET relic site" in China's Qinghai



Mount Baigong is located in Huaitoutala County, 40 kilometers southwest of Delingha City, the capital of the Haixi Mongolian and Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture in northwest China's Qinghai province. To the southwest of the mountain are two shimmering lakes on a plateau, one called Tuosuo and the other, Keluke. The incredible thing is that the former is a salt water lake, and the latter is composed of fresh water, despite their connection with the Bayin River.

Upon arrival at Mount Baigong, a rare heavy rain that had been ravaging the area for a couple of days had just stopped, giving way to the scorching heat of the sun and ultraviolet rays pouring down on one's head. The place looked just like the surface of Mars depicted in an American science fiction film: flame-colored rocks were dazzling under the sun and clusters of stiff-necked desert plants stood in the sweeping wind.

At more than 2,800 meters above sea level, the air is thin and crisp. The legendary "iron pipes" are scattered around the foot of the mountain, rusted and weathered. Who made them and brought them to this barren site? What is known is that this place has never seen industrial development in any real sense, and no construction has ever been conducted around Tuosu Lake. Thus, the news of an "Extra-Terrestrial (ET) relic site" immediately roused much attention, especially from scholars.

Investigations by experts resulted in the following hypotheses:

--Relics of prehistoric human beings. It is believed that prehistoric men held higher industrial and cultural achievements than existing human beings. Relics of their achievements remained after they disappeared with changing glacier conditions. However, no sign of glacier activity was evident around Mount Baigong.

--Fossils of plants with tube-shaped stems formed under high pressure. Scientific analysis tells us that fossils of fauna and flora can only remain the same; fossils could not change into forms such as iron pipes positioned in different ways. In addition, there has neither been any report of iron in the surrounding area, nor is there any evidence of fossils.

--A unique geological phenomenon. After an investigative tour of the area, Zheng Jiand ong, a geology research fellow from the China Earthquake Administration said he favors the possibility that when underground magma rose to the surface ferric materials froze to form the tube-like objects. "There is indeed something mysterious about these pipes," he explained, "for example, the size of the pipes tends to be small and some of them are highly radioactive."

--A decision of ET beings. The Qaidam Basin of Qinghai is high in altitude, there are few clouds and air is transparent; while Mount Baigong is very close to the lakes. If an ET being entered our planet in an aircraft, the mountain would be the most eye-catching landmark, and the area would be ideal for landing. Are the pipes used for research into the chemical elements of the Tuosou Lake?

Educated guesses and hypotheses have been piling up. However, one thing is certain: stronger evidence and closer scientific analysis are needed before any of the hypotheses can be proven.

By People's Daily Online



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The first paragraph states that the e.t. relics is located 40 kilometers from Delingha city, the capitol of the prefecture. Not quite 500 hundred miles. The prison farm has between 60-80,000 political prisoners. This is not counting the indigenous populations, government and military and the infrastructure to support such a large number of people.







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reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 08:15 AM by debris765nju
part 2 of reply......... DELINGHA/Delhi Overview
Qaidam Basin, there are many wonderful natural landscape and cultural landscape, one of the most mysterious, the most difficult is the care of the Bogong Mountain Lake, the three-dimensional singularity of the hole. This is rarely known to the world, 60 kilometers from Delingha City, in the mystery of the foot of the mountain, ranging from the distribution of the cave.

On internet,there is some information(I don't know whether itis true):The nuclear missile site at Delingha [Terlingkha] in Tibet is located about 200 km southeast of Larger Tsaidam (a reported location at 36°06'N 97°12'E would appear incorrect). It is the missile regimental headquarters for Qinghai [Amdo], and houses DF-4s with four associated launch sites. The organisation of the sites is said to consist of missiles stored horizontally in tunnels near the launch pad, with fuel and oxidiser is stored in separate tunnels with lines to the launch pad. Delingha is one of five location at which a total of between 10 and 20 DF-4s were deployed as of early 1998. The facility is headquarters for one of the three launch brigades, each with up to three launch battalions, subordinated to the Second Artillery Corps 80306 Unit, a Division headquartered in Xining, Qinghai province. The 80306 Unit is able to target sites in the former Soviet Union and India, and indications exist that the 80306 Unit may upgrade to the DF-21.

2.Maps and photo about DELINGHA
In addition to the hard missile sites they have missiles mounted on trucks that can be deployed anywhere in the region. I suspect this is one of the main reasons travel here is discouraged. There is no real research taking place at the e.t. relics, one article i read claimed that china had dumped nuclear waste into the salt-water lake and was a danger to asia, india and possibly europe because this area is the headwaters to several major rivers.



reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 10:04 AM by TheWayISeeIt
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The article you put up is one I link to in my portion of the OP. I even quote from it.

I am not quite sure how we get from there to it's a nuclear dumping ground... and I don' think I am going with you on that particular hypothetical journey.

It appears I may stand corrected though, even per my own link, about the distance Mt Baigong is from a habitable area. I had that impression from reading one of the earlier reports where the U.S. scientists who first stumbled on the site were quoted saying how arduous it was to reach and that nothing lived in 100's of kms. wide area around it... So my bad, I guess, on that.

Anyway, I am standing with that article we both put-up as well as the 2004 report where analysis showed that the pipes were dated to 3000BC and that they are partially comprised of a material UNKNOWN TO MAN,


Cheers!
TWISI


reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 10:11 AM by TheWayISeeIt
Originally posted by spacevisitor
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post by spacevisitor



TheWayISeeIt, I saw I must offer you my apologize.

Because when I just start reading from page one again, I saw I made a terrible misread by overlooking the fact that this marvellous thread is a collaborative effort by YOU and Skyfloating.
Too bad I cannot change my earlier post now.
Sorry.



Oh honey, please. Life is too short to be sorry for a natural mistake like that. Skyfloating's dazzling brilliance is enough to blind anyone to anything.

@Freeborn - I was being a little facetious about the fish, the question was rhetorical. I agree the everything in the image is salient and I am glad you posted the image. It is fascinating, no doubt.


reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 12:27 PM by SLAYER69
PART 1



OK here we go.

Sorry for being late. I wanted to post a good reply earlier but real life has a way of creeping in.

I wonder what they keep trying to tell us we have stories of Dragons, Amphibians, and Fish Gods All supposedly teaching us in our ancient prehistory.

Enjoy.



Dagon the Fish-God
Painted Illustration of Dagon in Ancient Times
Dagon was the god of the Philistines. This image shows that the idol was represented in the combination of both man and fish. The name "Dagon" is derived from "dag" which means "fish."


FUXI

The Chinese have maintained that their civilization was founded by amphibious beings that had a man's head and a fish tail. The entity, named Fuxi, has been depicted as both male or female. The date traditionally ascribed to him is 3,322BC. In Chinese mythology, Fu Xi or Fu Hsi was the first of the mythical Three Sovereigns of ancient China. He is a culture hero reputed to be the inventor of writing, fishing, and trapping.


Kind of reminds me of the Dogon story of their "Amphibian" god. It gets repeated all over the world.
The Dogons believe that in ancient times, an aquatic culture came to them from out of the sky. Human looking beings, acting as saviors and spiritual guardians, landed close to their village in a space ship described to have 3 triangular legs. Being that they were amphibious, upon landing, they filled a reservoir of water onto the land. Exiting their ship was done by diving into this reservoir. How strange and frightening this must have been to the Dogon of this time! After the initial arrival, the Dogons realized that much like our amphibious creatures today, the NOMMOS were able to adapt to both environments, thus although their primary home would be water, they were still able to walk , talk and live on land. Another thing that was so amazing about these star people was in the fact they had shapeshifting abilities. Whether it was done by mersmerization or not is unknown to me.


Originally posted by HiAliens
Then there's this picture of a man riding a 'dragon', I won't comment:



Now if we look at some of the Olmec, Mayan and Aztec art we find other similarities. Mythic Olmec figure riding on Quetzalcoatle "Dragon", sculpture from the ancient Olmec site of La Venta (Mexico). Olmecs are considered to be the oldest Meso American Culture.


Notice what the figure has in his hand lets take a look now at this one.

Here we have a figure from the other "cradle of civilization"


Here are some more "amphibian gods"


I found these few years ago on a web page that was auctioning these ancient Olmec figure of "Amphibians". They belong in a museum not hidden away in some private collection IMO




I don't know what the deal was with those, They look like they could be amphibians or dragons they have tails etc. Now here are a couple of interesting figurines. Both are from Ancient Olmec finds.

This next one I cant imagine what they were trying to describe.


Here is a "Terracotta" example of one of their earliest god.
It reminds me of another image of a "god"




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reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 02:44 PM by SLAYER69
PART 2


To the Babylonians, Draco was Tiamat, a dragon killed by the sun god in the creation of the world.

To the Greeks, Draco guarded the Golden Apples of the Sun in a magical garden.

Greek lawgiver
Draco
Athenian lawgiver whose harsh legal code punished both trivial and serious crimes in Athens with death—hence the continued use of the word draconian to describe repressive legal measures.



How about ancient Egypt flying on winged serpents? More dragons?






And whats the deal with Sobek? Another Reptilian/Amphibian god?

Egyptian creation myths, it was Sobek who first came out of the waters of chaos to create the world.[1] As a creator god, he was occasionally linked with the sun god Ra.[1]




More about the Dogons

The Nommo are ancestral spirits (sometimes referred to as deities) worshipped by the Dogon tribe of Mali, Africa. The word Nommos is derived from a Dogon word meaning, 'to make one drink'. The Nommos are usually described as amphibious, hermaphroditic, fish-like creatures.

Folk art depictions of the Nommos show creatures with humanoid upper torsos, legs/feet, and a fish-like lower torso and tail. The Nommos are also referred to as Masters of the Water, the Monitors, and "the Teachers.






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reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 03:38 PM by SLAYER69
Originally posted by Phage
reply to
post by SLAYER69



Now that is one good looking structure. See what happens when you take something that works and "improve" on it?



There is only one problem with that logic.

The Great Pyramid of Cholula, also known as Tlachihualtepetl (Nahuatl for "artificial mountain"), is a huge complex located in Cholula, Puebla, Mexico. It is the world's largest monument and largest Pre-Columbian pyramid by volume. Main article: Great Pyramid of Cholula

Cholula is most famous as the site of the Great Pyramid of Cholula, the largest man-made pyramid and monument by volume in the world.

The temple-pyramid complex was built in four stages, starting from the 3rd century BCE through the 9th century CE, and was dedicated to the deity Quetzalcoatl.


It is the Oldest and Largest it is more advanced than all the rest that followed. This small section here is only the small base entrance into the great pyramid here are some pictures of the whole thing.



Now if you consider that this is just the small first steps of the pyramid it then really becomes amazing when you consider the age.



Here is what some believe the complex looks like if it would be completely excavated.


Now compare the above to this well known pyramid also located in the area supposedly from a much later period.


Pyramid of the Sun
History

The name Pyramid of the Sun comes from the Aztecs, who visited the city of Teotihuacán centuries after it was abandoned; the name given to the pyramid by the Teotihuacanos is unknown.


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reply posted on 3-5-2009 @ 04:43 PM by Skyfloating
reply to post by SLAYER69



Thanks for the investment of time in pointing out the similarities between China, Egypt and the Americas. Three totally different locations but all three of them feature Pyramids and Winged serpents/Flying Dragons as being important to them.

So putting a sticker that says "Myth" on all of it is not only like saying "nothing to see here, move on children..." but also completely disrespectful to the ancients who seem to want to communicate something more substantial.
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