Obamanomics - How is it possible it wont destroy the country!, page 1
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Topic started on 29-4-2009 @ 02:03 PM by justsomeboreddude
As I watch the news day after day all I see is another plan by Obama and Congress to spend more money on a new project or a new social engineering plan. The amount of money being spent is uncomprehendable to my tiny brain. So I try to equate things back to a household or a business, which I kind of understand. In a house or a business if you spend more money than you make long enough you will go bankrupt, but apparently our President and Congress have a plan to avoid this or they would be insane. So what is the long term plan to pay this money back.

Now I know some of you are going to say there was already 7-10 trillion of debt before Obama was president and that Reganomics were at least partially responsible for that. I think those are good points. I have thought through that and I realized that Trickle Down economics did stimulate the economy but still grew the national debt. The reason, I believe, is because Reganomics cut taxes, but it didnt cut government spending enough to overcome the loss of income from cutting taxes.

Anyway, enough of what I am saying. I obviously dont have the answers. So someone please explain to me how our Government can keep increasing spending and raising taxes and this not negatively affect our country in the long run. Even if you discount the effect of the debt, raising taxes will raise the price of our goods and services and make them less attractive to worldwide consumers.

Thanks for any help you can give me in understanding this.


reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 03:43 PM by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by SuperSecretSquirrel



Thanks for the info. I keep hearing Kensyian economics thrown around but I never really knew what it meant until your explanation. So is the theory that by dumping that much money into the economy that it will grow so much we will be able to recoup that all in taxes over the next 5-10 years? I agree that dumping money into the economy should make it grow, but it still has to be paid back at some point. Your point about the economy growing artificially is well taken. That is exactly what they are doing, but how can it be sustained once they quit dumping money in.



reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 04:52 PM by SuperSecretSquirrel
reply to post by Gawdzilla



It was only balanced because he cut defense spending so much.

Blame "Repuglicans"? I think that both parties are just the two heads of the same monster. None of them know a damn thing about economics. Most of them are, in fact, lawyers.

Do you think that your beloved democratic congress and pres are doing the right thing by approving all the trillions of dollars? Do you think that enormous deficit spending is going to solve all of our problems?


reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 04:55 PM by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by SuperSecretSquirrel



I agree it cant go on forever. I say lets just take the hit now and get it over with before it gets worse. I see some value in letting our currency drop in value against the rest of the worlds. If that happened the stuff we make wouldnt cost as much vs the rest of the worlds stuff. Our cost structure is screwed up compared to say China and India. We can never compete with that in a global economy. How do you compete when one guy makes 50k a year to make a car and another guy makes $2k a year with no benefits?


reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 04:57 PM by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by SuperSecretSquirrel



I do blame Bush for part of the mess because he spent money like a drunkin' sailor. However, that doesnt justify spending even more money when the economy is a freaking disaster. You wouldnt go out and buy a new house and car if your family was going broke. You would have to cut expenses, so why all the new social programs and social projects and bailouts?



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reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 05:02 PM by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by Wehali



I didnt vote for Obama, because he said this is what he was going to do. I will say he is a man of his word, more or less.

I dont know where you are from but not everyone in America is as stupid as the rest of the world would have you believe.


reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 05:09 PM by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler



I love you man! You just sum up things so nicely. I get where you are coming from. But being the banker doesnt mean you can cheat so much that everybody catches you. Then they will quit playing the game.


reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 05:12 PM by Gawdzilla
reply to post by SuperSecretSquirrel



"If Bush and the republicans spent all that money and put us so far into debt, why isn't the U.S. in tip top shape? "




You think they spent the money CONSTRUCTIVELY? Oh, please. A large part of it literally exploded.


reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 05:16 PM by SuperSecretSquirrel
reply to post by Gawdzilla



And you think that giving tons more money to the banks will be better than giving it to the military-industrial complex?

Both will/have hoarded the cash or used it to expand...



reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 05:17 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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post by ProtoplasmicTraveler



I love you man! You just sum up things so nicely. I get where you are coming from. But being the banker doesnt mean you can cheat so much that everybody catches you. Then they will quit playing the game.


Not if there is no other game to play!

Ask any entertainer you happen to see...the best audience is a captive one!

Moving to Mars anytime soon?

Hey I get to go again I rolled doubles!


reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 05:19 PM by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler



But there is several other games to play. You could base the world economy off of the Euro, the Chinese Currency, or some oil producing nations currency. Pretty much anything else that is not bankrupt.


reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 05:21 PM by Gawdzilla
Originally posted by SuperSecretSquirrel
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post by Gawdzilla



And you think that giving tons more money to the banks will be better than giving it to the military-industrial complex?

Both will/have hoarded the cash or used it to expand...


Sorry, I said nothing about the banks, but now I will. When the Repugnicans "deregulated" the banking industry they were warned that something like this could happen. Didn't matter, they were owned by the bankers, so they did what they were told to do.


reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 05:23 PM by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by Gawdzilla



I see your point Gawdzilla, but it still doesnt leave the current administration and congress off the hook for spending irresponsibly.
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