It will reboot and be lean, mean, and on point without RINO's...

This is not by the way an attempt to bash the GOP rather it is an attempt at a serious dialogue about the state of the party...

It does not matter one iota whether I agree with the GOP or not it is in the nation's best interest to have viable parties and if either cease to be so the nation as a whole suffers.

Many GOP's will run as independents, get elected, and will reunite with the party once the party reforms itself.

They will still be Republicans at heart with a Republican type agenda.

The GOP will fragment into 2, perhaps 3 factions. The Christian faction being the largest, the corporate whores being the next largest and last but not least, the neocons, where the true power lies ala the CIA/intelligentsia.

Rush and the other AM talking heads do have a large audience, granted, but never enough to stage even a halfassed comeback. But don't count the neocons out; they are smart, well funded and ruthless.


In other words; the Republican Party as we once knew it,
is dead! May the GOP RIP.


s&f



[edit on 29-4-2009 by whaaa]

A nation can stand liberalism for only so long before it starts to run a country into the ground.

The UK is a good example - they had the great MacMillan years (conservative), followed by the disastrous Wilson and Callahan years (liberals) then the resurgence of the UK with Thatcher (conservative) and now their accelerating spiral into insanity under the Blair/Brown liberal nightmare.

They are due for a conservative cycle.

The Republican party is in disarray right now, but the US will need them again very soon when the true disaster of the Democrat election victory becomes apparent in a few years. They have until 2012 to get their house in order and it was more than unfortunate that the worst Republican president in living memory handed control of the country over to people who will ultimately be shown to be even more incompetent than he was.

I think Churchill put it best with one of his few stolen quotations (from Francois Guizot):

"If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no head."


[edit on 29-4-2009 by Retseh]

Originally posted by RetsehThey are due for a conservative cycle.

The Republican party is in disarray right now, but the US will need them again very soon when the true disaster of the Democrat election victory becomes apparent in a few years. They have until 2012 to get their house in order and it was more than unfortunate that the worst Republican president in living memory handed control of the country over to people even more incompetent than he was.

But from my perspective the GOP actually isn't conservative. They only make noises like conservatives to appeal for votes. Didn't work to well in the last election did it? As GWB said....

"You can fool some of the people twice and maybe I can find Crawford with both hands"

Well, the GOP may be shrinking but I don't think it will ever disappear. Remember, just a couple of years ago everyone was talking about the Democratic party was dead with no hope of a comeback. Now they're on top in every sense of the word. The tide comes in, the tide goes out.

But the tide isn't going to come back in again for the GOP until they come in with some good ideas. Their inability to compromise some of their social views (abortion/homosexuality) is beginning to hurt them as young conservatives vote Democrat over social issues, not fiscal ones. The christian conservatives hijacked the GOP years ago and it looks like it has run its course.

It's just very difficult to believe the GOP at this point in their history because they have no good ideas, they haven't changed since Obama took office, and they seem just as interested in the Democrats in re-election, NOT our best interests.

Originally posted by whaaa

But from my perspective the GOP actually isn't conservative. They only make noises like conservatives to appeal for votes. Didn't work to well in the last election did it? As GWB said....

"You can fool some of the people twice and maybe I can find Crawford with both hands"

I am inclined to agree, they have weakened their stance as true conservatives.

But - I don't think that Reagan himself could have pulled off a victory after 8 years of the disastrous Bush administration.

If the nation can hold itself together for the next 4 years, and yes that includes you Texas, we should be ok.

Yes it's true the MSM is repeating this mantra over and over in hopes it becomes true. The GOP is not dead. McCain got over 59 million votes which is over 10 million more than Clinton got in 96 and pretty close to what Bush got in both his wins. Add to the fact McCain was a terrible candidate that did not energize the GOP base nor attract many independents. I did not vote for him in the primary but was not left with much choice in the general election.

Grass roots movements are sweeping across the U.S. despite the current administration and MSM's attempts to ignore/characterize them as fringe loonies.

In the unfortunate two party system we have here once America has enough of one party they turn to the other. Rinse and repeat. Reagan/BushSr, then Clinton, then GWB, now Obama. It's a normal cycle. It wasn't that long ago Repubs had the white house, senate, and house. Now the Dems do. As history shows us in time the cycle will repeat itself. Thinking one party is dead because of the current position of the cycle is a short sighted way of thinking.

It reminds me of the global warming view. Ignoring the fact that the earth has heated up and cooled down in cycles going back millions of years and just focusing on the current 20 year trend and thinking it will only continue to get hotter. Keep thinking the Dems will only continue to win.

Originally posted by Retseh

If the nation can hold itself together for the next 4 years, and yes that includes you Texas, we should be ok.

Very true! But who will take credit for holding the nation together after being handed a sack of **** by the neocons? Obama perhaps? Get ready for another JFK style dynasty.

It's a brave new world, welcome to the monkey house.

I love politics! It's like watching the WWF or a pretty ballet. It don't amount to a hill of beans, but it kills a little time and it's entertaining.

Hopefully it crumbles into dust along with all the fake conservatives so the people who still want limited government and personal liberty can stop wasting their time pretending the Republican Party cares anything at all about those values.

Say it over and over: limited government, personal liberty.

The Dems hate it. The Reps pretend to love it to get the support they need for their moral policing and empire building.

The sooner their charade ends the sooner we can move on toward liberty.

The two parties in charge have just been pushing for less personal liberty and expanded government going on twenty+ years now.

Unless of course I'm wrong and people really do love nanny state government, censorship, bans, and the rush of bombing foreigners. Maybe they do? Promise continued war, bans and bigger government and you win elections over the other guy promising war, bans and expanded government so who knows.

People are idiots and slaves and I grow tired of having their mob rule dictate how my one and only very short life must be lived.

The problem with most of these arguments so far is that they hold fast to the idea that Republican=conservative and historically speaking that is no more true than Democrat=liberal.

The one thing that came out from this election... as far as I can tell anyway... is that people were sick of the same ole same ole... McCain is a conservative, there is no doubt about that... he may not be as conservative as some of you might have liked but that is besides the point... he is conservative, and the voters rejected him.

I have seen posters claim before that neither bush minor or the current batch of Republicans in congress are conservatives or conservative enough and still that misses the point...

which is that right wing conservatism has never been a majority in this country and probably never will and if the GOP continues to cater to that very narrow base then it is going to continue losing elections... certainly for the near term and probably for the long term as well.

That in and of itself is part of the reasons why Specter bolted the GOP. Yes he knew he would lose in the Republican primary but that really misses the point...

Specter like all elected officials are supposed to represent all the people of their district or state... not just the party.

Originally posted by grover

That in and of itself is part of the reasons why Specter bolted the GOP. Yes he knew he would lose in the Republican primary but that really misses the point...

Specter like all elected officials are supposed to represent all the people of their district or state... not just the party.

SBT Arlen Specter has been a political hack that represents TPTB since the 1960's. I could care less which party he belongs too as he does not have the peoples interests at heart. "The Honorable" Mr. Spector has been neither a Republican nor a Democrat through out his political career. He's leaving the Republican Party for purely political reasons - to get re-elected and nothing more.

As a right leaning Independent, I am more than happy to have SBTS join the Dem's. I think that's where he belongs. Another rat jumping ship to save himself. He's quite a guy!!!!

Edited for grammar


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