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Texas Secedes??????

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posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 09:32 AM
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Texas seceded once to join the Confederation. All Confederate states were reclaimed by force. Previous treaties were null and void. Texas retained the right to break up, but only because northern leaders thought it would be a good thing if it did break up into smaller, more manageable, pieces.

If Texas does ever try to secede, demands at the end of the civil war will come into play.




posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 09:33 AM
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I grew up in Texas, and the myth that Texas could secede always gets thrown around every few years. The truth is not that Texas can secede, but that it can break up into smaller states.


Read this Texas Secession facts

We, as in Texas, are not disallowed to secede. We don't have to break up into more states. We are only held subject to the Constitution of the United States. Not the president. Not the congress. Via the Constitution of the USA there is nothing about secession. We are free to come and go as we please.

We would definitely be ok if we seceded. We have a Multitude of industries that make all kind of stuff. Almost every small town in Texas is a Self sustaining community. We are the ONLY state with a probable chance of surviving secession


As a side note: Not all Texans are Nascar lovin, beer drinkin hicks. Please do not stereotype us. (yes a lot of us are those kind of hicks, but not ALL!)



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 09:39 AM
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Governor Perry is a creature of the federal government and only pays lip service to the peoples growing hostility toward Washington D.C..

What the States are doing is merely reaffirming their rights under the Constitution -- the ninth and tenth amendments specifically. It has become apparent that the Feds have forgotten their place, that it was created by the States and has no authority to subjugate them to do it's will, rather it is the other way around.

IF the Feds ignore the Law (Constitution) then they are in breech of their contract with the States and it is THEY who have seceded from US, it is THEY who have betrayed our trust.




We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. -- Declaration of Independence.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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to use an internet jingoism "Bam! Spacepunk just go pwned!" Thanks for clearing things up Sliick. You're right, once Texas secedes, it becomes it's own republic, it's own entity, therefore, it is no longer answerable to the federal govt. therefore (see where I'm going with this?) they don't HAVE to break into separate states if they don't want to. The federalists can cry and whine and shout all they want, but the fact is, once Texas secedes, they no longer have to bow to the federal govt's wishes. they don't HAVE to break into separate states if they don't want to.

Spacepunk, you're making it sound as if once Texas secedes from the union, it is still beholden to the federal govt's rules and laws, it is not. Remember, the reason why Texas wanted to retain the right to secede in the first place, was is if the govt. had been behaving in a manner that was a breach of contract. So in essence, once Texas secedes, Texas itself making any and all contracts with the govt. null and void too. So even IF there was a stipulation that Texas "had" to break into separate more manageable states, it doesn't matter because that contract would be considered null and void and hence not enforceable.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 09:54 AM
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Ignore history if you wish. It already happened once, and we all know how that turned out. Some 'FAQ' made up by some pie in the sky naivete doesn't make at fact.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 10:01 AM
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Native Texan here, although I grew up and grew out of The Longhorn State about 11 years ago — I now live where everything is happenin', over on the East Coast.

But talk of secession is commonplace in Texas. We talked about it back in the 90s, and in the 80s, and the 70s, and the 60s, et cetera. See, Texas actually was a separate country (The Republic of Texas) before the USA annexed it into statehood in 1845.

My people came into Texas with The Old 300, the three hundred volunteer immigrants led by Stephen F. Austin, by agreement with the Mexican government (who owned Tejas at the time, having stolen it from the aborigines).

My ancestors homesteaded in East Texas and stayed there through the war for Texas Independence. That goddamned high-horse Santa Ana got his little ass whipped down at San Jacinto, and that ended the war, but the U.S. came along less than 6 years later and annexed Texas.

The natives have long memories in Texas. While some Texans campaigned for annexation, a great many — my people included — hated the idea of becoming a State. Some of us still resent being annexed, and there is yet talk about seceding, breaking the state into 4 or 5 smaller territories and other such nonsense.

It's all talk, it'll never happen.

— Doc Velocity






[edit on 4/29/2009 by Doc Velocity]



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 10:10 AM
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I wonder why so many liberals bash texas. I guess they assume George Bush was born in Texas and He is a Texan. I hate to break it to You but He was born up north. The bush's are a banking and oil family. So guess what if You want to hate a state for the Bush's I think You need to direct Your anger to PA. The people of Texas are great and I love the atmoshere. I wouldn't mind living in Texas because the people still have a good concept of what is right and what is wrong. As far as states being in the red Louisiana is also in good shape but I guess that has more to do with conservative values instead of taxes.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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Oh, I'll tell you why the liberal yanks hate Texas so badly... Sure, the Bush family adopted the state as their own, but liberal hatred goes further back.

It's because 1) Texas is where their mythical king JFK was murdered before he could turn the country into Camelot, and 2) The detestable Democrat president, Lyndon B. Johnson, was also from Texas. You remember LBJ, he's the Democrat president who escalated the Vietnam conflict into a full-bore war, killing tens of thousands of good American boys for no good reason.

God, the Democrats just hate to be reminded of Vietnam, but not as much as they hate Texas.

— Doc Velocity



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 10:24 AM
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Yes we all know that Texas was annexed and joined the union, no duh! but it didn't do so without having the right to secede, the federalists know it and so did Texans. Why is this point being brought up again when it's already been addressed? Yes we know that Texas was "annexed" to the union, but that doesn't mean it doesn't reserve the right to LEAVE the union if it so deems that the govt. has breached contract. Texas can STILL go back to being its own independent republic if it so wishes. Nothing can stop them short of the U.S. trying to take it back by force, and demand an unconditional surrender (like with Japan in WW2), in which case it would be considered an invasion into a sovereign republic and its people.

Yes, we all know what happened during the civil war, but people can't live in fear of the past if any progress is to be made.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 10:31 AM
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To be honest, I have nothing but respect for Texas, not just because I was born there, but because I think out of the whole 50 states in the union, they are the most ballsy of people. If they don't like something, they got no problem letting you know and make a stance. If they think something is wrong, they act on it instead of simply "following" just because it was passed into "law". The people there have no problem telling the govt. to go stick there noses elsewhere and let them handle their own business and they have no problem telling cowards to stop whining and asking for someone else to solve all their problems, and instead, get off you own butt and settle your problems YOURSELF!

Actually, I notice this trend in most southern states. The people in most southern states from what I notice, are a heck of a lot more independent in attitude than in the north, they don't immediately go crying for mommy govt. to help wipe their bottoms and give them money, instead they find a way to fix it themselves.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 10:39 AM
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Well look at a bright side.....say goodbye to half the U.S.'s illegals.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Cds4344
Well look at a bright side.....say goodbye to half the U.S.'s illegals.


What are you talking about? I didn't hear any news that California was seceding too.


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posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Question

Originally posted by Cds4344
Well look at a bright side.....say goodbye to half the U.S.'s illegals.


What are you talking about? I didn't hear any news that California was seceding too.


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Well get them to secede after and there goes the other half


I'm a Texan btw and agree to the above poster that we are NOT all beer drinkin nascar loving hicks. Most are quite the opposite and quite elegant.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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Texas Bill affirming Sovereignty
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Perry backs TX Congress efforts to affirm sovereignty
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Perry Mentions secession possibility
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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Very true. Most are ignorant of this little tidbit, but Texas is still referred to as the REPUBLIC State of Texas. There is a reason for that. Texas is the only state in the Union which has a legal basis to ever secede if it deems it necessary. We are actually the only state where the land rights are not federally owned.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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Thanks for the links anonymous and thanks for addressing my original question in the OP
(perry mentions secession possibility) I hope all the best for Texans and hopefully they will show themselves to be the kind of brave example that the rest of the states of the union need.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 11:58 AM
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You are more than welcome. I really think Perry was just saying that knowing elections are coming soon being is a globalist judging by his history however, I will take it for now.

Most people who would insult Texans for wanting to succeed from the union obviously does not understand the constitution nor do they understand how bad the Federal Government is raping them.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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And might I add that that "risk" of running into a red budget would be diminished after seceding. Then the great people and industry of Texas would not have their hard earned capital stripped from them in the form of Federal Income Tax to support the wasteful projects of Pelosi and the other liberal losers. Pelosi loves to run her mouth and tell everyone else in the nation how things should be when in reality she represents the weakest, neediest state in the Union.

Bye Bye Libs - You need Texas more than Texans could ever need you-



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 12:18 PM
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Agreed, I just hope that Texans can actually follow through with it and set the example of real state independence for the rest of the states still sucking from the govt's teets. I hope it does go through with it so I can find a new place to live. I love Ga and I love their southern/independent attitude towards the pricks in washington, but they have to do more personally, and quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of the monkeys running our country.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar
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Most people who would insult Texans for wanting to succeed from the union obviously does not understand the constitution nor do they understand how bad the Federal Government is raping them.


I remember my father saying that one of the nicknames we Texans have (I say we, because even though I'm living in Ga, I was born in Houston) is "sh*t kickers" and he explained that, it basically has to do with kicking cow dung from pastures for fertilizer (or something like that) I say we change the meaning to it simply meaning that we kick the sh*t out of anybody who dares mess with us!



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