reply to post by Simplynoone
Again your application of the Word is tainted by the pre-trib rapture error. The first six seals are not God’s wrath, they are controls on the wrath
of the Anti-Christ.
This is the primary argument of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory in that the seven-year tribulation period starts with the opening of the first Seal
of Revelation 6:1; this also is the point at which the Anti- Christ (beast) rides out “conquering and to conquer. However, this teaching is a clear
contradiction of the numerous scriptures that plainly state that GOD ALONE will be exalted on the day of God’s wrath, and that ALL men will be
humbled: Isaiah 2:11, 17; 5:15, 16; 23:9; 24:21; et, et, el. This contradiction can only be resolved by the Beast “who opposes and exalts himself
above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he SITS AS GOD IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHOWING HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD.” (2 Thessalonians
2:4) being loosed on the earth BEFORE the wrath of God starts. Which also means that since the point at which the Beast sits in the “temple of God
as God” (also known as the “abomination of desolation”) occurs at the mid-point of the tribulation’s seven years (according to Paul in 2
Thessalonians 2:3), God’s wrath can only start AFTER the mid-point of the tribulation. This is especially true as Paul makes this statement to a
As it clearly states in I Corinthians 14:32, “For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints,” AND the
Greek word that is translated as ‘confusion’ MEANS: “instability or disorder; commotion, confusion, tumult”, God could not be the author of
the disorder, commotion, confusion, and tumult brought on the saints and soon to be redeemed Jews, BY the Anti-Christ. Which means that the Day of the
Lord cannot begin with the Anti-Christ being unleashed.
One of the strongest arguments against “The Day of the Lord”, “Day of Christ”, or the “day of wrath (God’s) starting at the beginning of
the tribulation with the opening of the first seal (along with the rapture of the Church), is that everything that followed that point would have been
initiated by the Lord; caused by Him and therefore His responsibility. This then means that God would be directly responsible for martyrdom
(Revelation 6:9) of His children for remaining faithful to Him. Remember that the if the beginning of the Lord’s wrath initiates the ride and rule
of the Anti-Christ (Revelation 6:2), that would make him an authority ordained by God as HIS servant! (SEE Romans 13:1-4)
This is unmistakably such a clear contradiction of the whole of the Word, as well as the nature and character of God it reveals, as to approach
blasphemy (Proverbs 13:21; 1 John 4:8); for certain God uses the persecution that Satan INCITES to refine His people and children, (1 Peter 1:6-7) or
allows the accuser to sift them because they have stepped out of His hedge of protection for some reason, but He NEVER SENDS the satanically empowered
to persecute and torture to death His obedient and faithful children. (Lamentations 3:22)
The Greek word ‘sphragis’ translated as ‘seal’ in Revelation 6 means a signet; as fenced in or protected from alteration; an implied stamp of
authority or impressed mark of privacy. Further, the Greek word that reinforces it (phrasso) literally means to enclose, or specifically to surround
with blocks. Indeed, the figurative use of the Greek word anoigo (opened) in verse 1 implies a ’letting go’ or ‘release’. The Greek wording of
Revelation 6:1 therefore does not allow the implication of ‘authorship’, as it would have to if this ‘seals’ opening initiates the day of the
Lord, but rather that the Lord ALLOWS the RELEASE of the Anti-Christ within set boundaries; with measured limits to the damage and destruction that
can result from HIS actions. An example of this is the Roman ‘seal’ on the tomb of Christ; while Pilate had allowed the Lord to be buried there,
he obviously had had nothing to do with the Jewish rituals involved with the burial, or with the Lord’s actual placement in the tomb, his seal
merely limited and controlled what happened with the tomb.
The verse that is the primary alleged proof of a pre-tribulation rapture is Revelation 3:10. While in a vague way the English rendering of “… I
also will keep you from (tereo ek) the hour of trial …” could be argued hints at a pre-tribulation rapture, there is no clear statement of this
here or anywhere else in the Bible. Even Dr. John Walvoord (former president of Dallas Theological Seminary and a leading scholar of the pre-trib.
rapture theory) admitted, "it may be debatable to what extent this (verse, Rev. 3:10) constitutes absolute proof for pretribulationism." (The
Rapture Question, on pages 70-71). Indeed, numerous great Greek scholars of the last several hundred years; including Zahn, Alford, Moffatt, Swete,
Fausset, Beckwith, Tregelles and Trench, have argued that the Greek grammar of this verse denotes protection from danger with an “out from within”
or “out of” eventual removal. These and other renown Greek scholars point out that HAD the idea been “keep completely from” danger, the Greek
preposition used in this phrase would be 'apo' and not 'ek'. ' Amazingly, the Word of God itself proves the correct application and understanding
of the Greek phrase ‘tereo ek’ as it is used only one other time in the Bible (John 17:15); “I do not pray that You take them out of the world,
but that You keep (tereo) them from (ek) the evil.
Therefore, God is calling His children to areas where they can be protected; some however will be "...destroyed for a lack of knowledge".
[edit on 5/1/2009 by SGTChas]