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reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 06:53 AM by Harman

reply to post by trueforger

, that would definitely be a big plus. I'll just youtube some of his seminars before reading those books to get me in the right mood.

reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 07:12 AM by matsplat

reply to post by Solomons

Have a listen to the very recent C2C show with Graham Hancock on May 5th.
Although he hasn't been as forward as Mckenna in talking about his 'trips', he certainly has some experience and seems to tie it together nicely in the worldwide scheme of things. ie. shamanism in general.

Why is it that around the globe, many shamans, indians etc. when after ingesting certain plants (although he doesn't mention Salvia), they all meet similar if not identically appearing beings?

Also look up Alisteir Crowley - should be lots about him on ATS - and the being he met up with. The similarity is there.

Hancock talks about ayahuasca as I assume that he only trips under supervision - Mckenna was an out and out space cowboy.

reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 09:09 AM by trueforger

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Ayahuasca is a Sacrament to the UDV,legal status here in the US uncertain,probably legal.Still in court.The material is so 'tasty' ya wonder if yer brew is poison or if it is supposed to be so strong.Tasting the tea from an experienced Shaman resolves this uncertainty,yes it really is supposed to taste so.Not for recreation.Maybe re-creation.Shaman sized doses are incapacitating.Screw around and you might get burned out.Not all trance is from ingestation,TV for example.T'was a good C2C AM.

reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 11:01 AM by _Phoenix_

Originally posted by trueforger
reply to post by Harman

I find that while reading McKenna,his zany tonal inflections spring to audio hallucination.I hear what he says as I read what he wrote.Some authors have this effect on me,none moreso than Terrence.Having a stack of audio's helps that as well.These books are available in audio form,with him reading.

I think I know what your saying.

Terence sure has a good story telling voice. His voice does not bore you that's a positive.

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reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 11:10 AM by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
That guy sounds like some kind stoned out of his mind, a little bit psychotic fruitcake. is he for real?

That would be because he was stoned outta his mind.

I have some of his books,

Food of the Gods: The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge: A Radical History of Plants, Drugs, and Human Evolution

actually it does play a interesting role.

reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 11:18 AM by Stormdancer777

reply to post by hadriana

Drugs in the context of seeking for knowlege or spiritual growth can really be a catalyst.

exactly what humanity has done is sacrilegious, drugs used in sacred rituals and shamanic experiences are one thing, recreational drugs are another.

I think ,many people who become addicts or alcoholics are looking for the spiritual experience without knowledge or consciousness of it.

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reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 11:22 AM by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
reply to post by Wisen Heimer

If it's not true, it's not true. Period. If somebody goes around making claims that are not true, I don't care if they are a genius or not, those claims need to be discarded.

I have to agree with indigo to some extent, I think Terrence abused drugs, but I won't judge, some of his work is thought provoking .

reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 02:35 PM by trueforger

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Any time I hear of ''abusing drugs'' I have to ask,what then is correct USE of drugs,then?Or did the Creator make a mistake when these plants appeared?Calling it the Devil's weed is unscriptural,BTW,this is in the first page of Genesis.The only reason Ayahuasca is not considered a drug of abuse is due to how strongly repulsive the brew is.If it tasted good it would be considered a recreational drug.Like DMT,the active ingredient in Ayahuasca is.Yet it is found in every human brain,and a lot of places in Nature,like in reed canary grass which legally grows all over hereabouts.I love how Terrence was a living contradiction to all the stereotypes of the dreaded drug fiend.He who got higher,longer than 99.99% of the population,was sharp as a hawk's talon(much sharper than cat's claws,believe it!) with an amazing memory and attention to detail.No fool,his brain cancer?Who knows?Gotta go sometime,better to leave a legacy as he did than grow old without being experienced,and making no real contribution of lasting import.Waiting,doing time,trying to not piss off god so you get to go to heaven.

reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 09:15 PM by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by trueforger
reply to post by Stormdancer777

Any time I hear of ''abusing drugs'' I have to ask,what then is correct USE of drugs,then?Or did the Creator make a mistake when these plants appeared?Calling it the Devil's weed is unscriptural,BTW,this is in the first page of Genesis.The only reason Ayahuasca is not considered a drug of abuse is due to how strongly repulsive the brew is.If it tasted good it would be considered a recreational drug.Like DMT,the active ingredient in Ayahuasca is.Yet it is found in every human brain,and a lot of places in Nature,like in reed canary grass which legally grows all over hereabouts.I love how Terrence was a living contradiction to all the stereotypes of the dreaded drug fiend.He who got higher,longer than 99.99% of the population,was sharp as a hawk's talon(much sharper than cat's claws,believe it!) with an amazing memory and attention to detail.No fool,his brain cancer?Who knows?Gotta go sometime,better to leave a legacy as he did than grow old without being experienced,and making no real contribution of lasting import.Waiting,doing time,trying to not piss off god so you get to go to heaven.

A lot to ponder, which I will, then I will get back with you.

I think you know what I mean by abuse , but not to get off the importance of this interesting topic, I wont go there.

Waiting,doing time,trying to not piss off god so you get to go to heaven.

There is a lot more to it then that.

That statement wasn't necessary.

what then is correct USE of drugs,then?

You know the answer.

reply posted on 8-5-2009 @ 05:28 AM by Magzoid

The two interdimensional worlds he discribes sounds exactly like the scenario in the film "The golden compass" - each world had it's own ideals and norms and corrupt officials at the top screwing it up for everyone else.

Interestingly, (in the film) the other world could see our world through the aroura borealis in the northern arctic which is related to increased solar activity which according to some is going to be larger than usual in the run up to 2012.

reply posted on 8-5-2009 @ 06:42 AM by trueforger

Terrence maintained,as I concur,when one takes a drug,the 'spirit' of the (chemical within)drug 'takes' you!You are part of what you observe and this new insight becomes part of that drug's repertiore.That is partly why he advocated culturally sanctioned plant based molecules.They share a history with our collective subconscious.The longer that shared history is,the better and fuller the trip.Likewise one may use them for the worst most self abusive way(not speaking of the truly addictive like H,C or alcohol)like smoking stolen pot to hide from your emotions for what a thief you are,etc,and it may turn you on your ear one fine day,and you find yourself a different,much better citizen.Called a bad trip,or cannabis psychosis,whatever,a profound change can and often does result.Ya have to stay clear of hard drugs.Most people toss about terms like 'abuse' with no actual first hand knowledge of the substance.Education is what truly controls these substances.We all know the horror story of addicted people in our families,etc.Most people who go down that rat hole do lots of different sub's and it is the synergy which makes the scenario so out of control.Yet the one most obvious one(like the smelly,testable-for-30-days herb)gets the blame.A person can be an absolute fiend for cocaine,with a little Ganga,to the point of disaster,yet if tested two days later,the tox. report will list the herb only as the other will have metabolized.The real issue is honesty and Terrence was that.

reply posted on 8-5-2009 @ 09:29 AM by Stormdancer777

reply to post by trueforger

Most people toss about terms like 'abuse' with no actual first hand knowledge of the substance.

Hi true, actually you are talking to someone speaking from experience.

Anyway, let's talk about mind altering
drugs and shamanism.

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reply posted on 8-5-2009 @ 09:36 AM by Harman

It was fun having this topic here but i do think it will be moved to RATS pretty soon

reply posted on 8-5-2009 @ 09:41 AM by Stormdancer777

amanita muscaria mosaic

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Mosaic of red mushrooms, found in the Christian Basilica of Aquileia in northern Italy, dating to before 330 AD.

they call alcohol spirits for a reason.

Anyway once the pathways are open, they are open.

If you know what you are looking for.

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reply posted on 8-5-2009 @ 09:43 AM by Stormdancer777