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FAA Memo: Feds Knew Flyover Would Cause NYC Panic

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posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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Seriously, I think the important thing is to look at what buildings were evacuated and who exactly gave the order to evacuate them.


From the reports I have read and heard (though I am unable to provide any sources because I cant remember where I heard/read this), the people occupying the buildings evacuated on their own accord. They were not told to, they just did it out of their own fear.



[edit on 4/29/2009 by greeneyedleo]




posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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I think nature of the excercise was pretty obvious, IMO. I personally believe it was a drill to practice escorting, and maybe even shooting down an airliner headed for a large city, and they wanted it to be as authentic as possible so they used NYC. The secrecy may have had to do with the pre-backlash they would probably get, as well as not wanting some people to be able to pay attention to their planned moves in the situation. They may also have been testing out some sort of defense system on the ground (targetting and such) that they do not want to reveal yet, or ever, in order to keep the upper hand on any would be attackers.

edit to add: what makes my theory even more likely is the BS photo-op excuse, that's why they didn't use just any larger miltary jet, they needed their BS story to have some plausability...

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posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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Sorry if this post is a little fractured. I just want to write out my train of thought that has been going through my head. I think it will help us analyze this better.

We have the theory that they were just trying invoke fear into people. They don't want people getting to comfortable in their safety? Or is it the opposite and they want people to let their guard down (a sort of "boy who cried wolf" scenario)?

But why use "Air Force One" (though it wasn't really that at the time)? Was it for the photo-op excuse? But couldn't they have used that excuse with any plane?

I suppose if they had any plane, they wouldn't have had a military fighter jet flying along with it. Was there some necessity in their motive for their to be a military plane along side a passenger jet?

You could say that we are all making too much out of nothing but why did the Feds not want anyone to know? That is the most perplexing part of the story.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 11:45 AM
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I just laugh. I thought this was about conspiracy but see that no one uses plausibility here?

What if? The plane was being flown by remote control. Why not? The planes on 9/11 (that hit the 2 towers) were alledgedly flown by remote control and they have had the ability since 84'. They never told anyone outside of a few agencies, they flew right through NYC, they had an escort in case something went wrong. And it was a good publicity op and to remind those sheeple of 9/11 again because too many people are waking up to what is really going on on this planet and who is behind it all.

The reason so many things are happening now is strictly because most people do not trust or believe the media or the government. The television and newspaper media is losing the public fast. Imagine how many websites there are for patriots, conspiracy buffs, special interest groups and so on, it's staggering. They NEED to create events to get the publics attention back. Abra-cadabra!!!

Plausible?

Has anyone paid attention to what the DoD is up to? No longer selling spent brass casings to ammunition manufacturers here in the states. Paying to have it shredded and selling it to China, anyone? New thread maybe?

Swine flu, what a joke.............. please. Anyone that has been using Colloidal Silver will not be effected. Do your homework, research, learn and educate.

Look at the big picute, what is the end game, who stands to gain and so on.



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posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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Looks like Obama was ordering Pizza again..nothing supprises me about this administration..Keystone cops ..



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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If this was a photo op, or movie shoot, then show us the proofs or raw footage. Who was contracted to take the photos/video? Are there any aviation buffs who were monitoring the airwaves? What did they hear?
It is hard to believe that anyone was dumb enough to think that this was a good idea.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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www.Cryptome.org... offers some pretty reasonable scenerios - they were looking at possible alternative flight patterns for AF1 should it become under attack OR they were testing new ground to air sensors deployed within the city. If the later were the case, they might indeed want planes of varying sizes to do it with.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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This is from another thread here, the guy is obviously on the ball......


coenbros wrote in "Is Swine flu man made?RT News report video.":


"I am probably going to hate myself for even bringing this up...

but I'm in the Air Force, so I tend to notice airplaney things.

Did anyone notice in the still shots that the F-16 has a solid orange-red tail? I was ignoring this whole episode as bureaucratic buffoonery by my service until I saw that.

To my knowledge (which is pretty extensive) the only aircraft we fly with vertical stabilizers painted solid orange-red are old planes that have been converted to serve as unmanned target drones for air-to-air combat training.

Operational fighter and attack aircraft do not have brightly-painted vertical stabs of any color, except one-off temporary paint jobs for special events like air tattoos, and certainly not orange-red, which is used to loudly convey the message "Danger: Keep back! This plane has no human pilot!"

That seems to be a clue...what do you think it means?

It is possible that the fighter was unmanned or that both planes were remote controlled?"

Photo: abclocal.go.com...


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posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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Never posted before. Thought this stuff was just nuts. Okay I think I was wrong.
I agree with those that suggest there is something "not right" with the NYC flyover. It doesn't make sense, but it was no accident. It WAS done for a reason. If it was a photo op for AF1, why were the fighter jets positioned so close as to appear guarding the aircraft. No way those fighters wouldn't have been in the shots of the presidential plane. Looked like they were flying cover to me. The idea of it being footage shot for later use is a valid thought as is assessing the public reaction. One other possibility. Conditioning. Get the public used to these things, conditioned to them, prior to an actual event.

Now work with me through these things. There has been a huge focus on Mexico since the start of this administration. Suddenly the Mexican drug war is a priority, we start to talk of sending troops to the border. Although there is no evidence of the drug war spilling into the US in any size. Next we have an outbreak of "flu" originating in Mexico. Reports of which are being overblown by media. Almost to a hysterical level. Over the weekend we were getting reports on a MEDICAL event from the Department of Homeland Security and the military. They have talked of closing the border. By the way, anybody else notice footage out of Mexico showing fully armed soldiers doing crowd control? Why do you need to be fully armed for a medical emergency? They are installing a very high tech video security/monitoring system along the US /Canada border. I'm not going to tell you where I live but I will say this, we have a large National Guard supply unit here. LOTS of trucks, normally. Over the last few weeks there are less and less of them. Normal rotation? Maybe. Yesterday I was on a major North-South route through my state. HEAVY police and military vehicle traffic.
The action of the current administration is almost at frenzy level by Washington standards. But I'm convinced it's smoke. Like a magician creating a distraction with his left hand so you won't see what he's doing with his right.
There is something very, very wrong in progress. 2 plus 2 is not adding up to 4 anymore. Or at least we are being TOLD it doesn't. We HAVE to pay attention to how things are being said right now and follow multiple threads from different sources. Small things that seem inconsequential are much more important then they appear. We have to ask "why" Because it's not about what is going on right now, It's about whats going to happen up ahead. Thank you for allowing me to participate.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 12:34 PM
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You sound like you have your head screwed on there observer47 .


Always good to have another pair of eyes on the subject .

P.S welcome to ATS.
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[edit on 29-4-2009 by UmbraSumus]



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Highground
It's like a giant game of chess. The pieces are slowly moving into place. In the immediate future, we get checkmate.

This is one of the few times I've ever been quite scared for the future of our country and the world.

I'm not one to go screaming "false flag" and other crap, and I generally take a skeptic's standpoint, but this is all completely pushing my limits. The sheeple need to wake up and start asking questions. Deny ignorance. Prepare for the worst.

@#$%.



They talked about that checkmate plan in independence day. They referred to the Motherships as positioning themselves around the world in the major cities and then.........Check mate.


But in this case I assume that TPTB are positioning their influence and power around the major cities and governments of the world and then when they have enough control.....Check mate.

Although Checkmate might not mean total destruction, just applies to the idea that something will happen.

They do drop hints in movies but it isn't exactly what is done or said in the movie...

It's like symbols and such, you need to decipher what it actually means and applies to.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 02:00 PM
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Good post observer47, welcome to ATS. I agree with you that we are all being distracted for some reason. We have this ridiculous overhype of the swine flu and then this "photo op" flyover of NYC. I have been scanning the back pages of the news to see what they are trying to slip past us. Now is the time to keep our eyes open.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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Maybe its the set-up.

Swine Flu panic when it's not Flu season then the news just threw in that it will take about six months to come up with a "New" Flu vaccine for next season...the set up.

Starting in Oct. they will probably start broadcasting about what happened now in April so people panic and run to get there shots....hmmmmmm wouldn't susrprise me if in the shots they don't have the tracking devices they have tried to pass for the last couple of years and haven't gotten far with it.

Beware and report



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by hadriana
 




Seriously, I think the important thing is to look at what buildings were evacuated and who exactly gave the order to evacuate them.


From the reports I have read and heard (though I am unable to provide any sources because I cant remember where I heard/read this), the people occupying the buildings evacuated on their own accord. They were not told to, they just did it out of their own fear.

[edit on 4/29/2009 by greeneyedleo]


I can tell you that my building did not call for an official evacuation. We made the decision on our own and got out. Other buildings in my area did give the order to evacuate so I guess a little of both situations happend.

My cousin was in WTC tower 2 75th floor and was about halfway down the stairs when the announcement came telling everyone there was no danger and go back to your office. He did not listen and continued down the stairs. When he reached about the 15th floor the second plane hit the building. If he had gone back up he probably would have been trapped and killed. That story is still fresh in my mind so when there is any sign of possible danger I get out and don't wait for an announcement.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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Dave,

Stop trying to make sense out of all of this, that would be logical and make you a sane and reasonable person.

We are all suppose to be scared, in fear, confused, thankful the powers that be come up with solutions for problems created by them, and subservient clueless masses.

If people question and think a bit instead of reacting all day, they may actually start to understand what is going on.






Originally posted by David9176
Something is going on.

There is just WAY TOO MUCH crap happening right now.

You have this.

Swine flu.

The fed just took another 300 BILLION for april/june.

Government owns GM.

Spector switching parties to give a possible filibuster proof senate...and complete control of congress to democrats.

Something is seriously wrong people.

Too much in too little time.

There has to be a reason for all of this....it can't all be coincidental.




[edit on 29-4-2009 by Realtruth]



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 02:20 PM
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Whether it's a cover-up or not, whether it's a distraction for something far darker or not,

At its most fundimental basic core, this HAS to be the most arrogant thing an administration could be a part of.




posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 02:48 PM
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fitting with the context of the website: It would not surprise me in the least to have something catastrophic happen soon due to the unwanted attention the Gov't AND Wall Street are having - its just taking longer because of the change in White House Administration. The people need a distraction and i doubt the Flu is going to provide it.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 03:11 PM
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What in the hell are they thinking? Of course people would freak out. What ever happened to "responsibility" and a "transparent" government. Hell, they even hid this from the Feds and you know that bad.

Man, something seriously wrong is going on. It seems to me that Obama and company are starting to move their chess pieces. Congress just passed a 3.14 trillion dollar budget..this is getting fugly.

Whoever is responsible for this fiasco needs to be nailed to the wall and made an example off. I really don't like the power the gov has and is giving itself, THIS is the government that the constitution was setup to avoid, now you got the gov telling us what's best even when they know it ain't.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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This sounds like a systematical test to see how bad people would react on another mass tragedy. Youd think these guys would have more brains upstairs to go ahead and do this without the public being notified, but then again hey. It all works out for their sinister agenda.


S&F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 03:49 PM
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Hey, ya know, a couple of days before the NYC flyover, I was at home in the daytime when I heard a really loud plane. We've seen black helicopters & other crazy stuff around here lately so I look outside a lot--especially when I hear something different. I live about 22-23 miles E of Pittsburgh, PA. I saw, traveling E and kinda lower than normal, a large jet type thing with a smaller plane flying strangely close above it. Looking through the binoculars I could see both, but not close enough to see decals, etc. Thinking it was AF1 at first, but then dismissed it because of only one 'guard' plane. Chocked it up as some other military transport until the NYC thing. The sizes of the planes in the videos are the same.
So, if it was a military photo op exercise, I guess they were doing one over the Pittsburgh area too? No one has mentioned it online or on our news. Oh yeah, they said it came from Maryland AFB--anyone verify this?

Another person mentioned the coincidence of Obama being in Mexico right before the outbreaks of flu. Maybe we should watch and see if NYC gets alot of cases since this flyover. Watch the video on YouTube about Homeland Security Spreading bird flu

Perhaps it was the 'hybrid flu' instead... This scare seems to mimic the 1974, 1975, 1976 timetime of events with gas, economy, flu... next big one I can remember was rise in gold in 1980. The flu is perhaps to divert our attention from the gov't & economy...
Sigh... "The wise man will see the signs and prepare".




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