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Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter will switch from the Republican to the Democratic Party

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posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by cbianchi513
Sure... In the last election, McCain... simply because I considered him the lesser of the two evils, and I identify with his veteran's status. I couldn't just "throw away" my vote by voting for Paul, although he was clearly the more appropriate choice in my case.


The GOP needs to start listening more to Ron Paul.
It was absolutely disgusting the way the mainstream conservative media treated him in the run up to the primaries. All because he didn't support the disasterous Iraq War.

Drop the hard right social policies, go more libertarian, while getting SERIOUS about fiscal conservatism.

Otherwise, the GOP is going the way of the whigs.

Honestly I don't have much hope. The GOP has jumped the shark.




posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by Dark Soldier

Originally posted by grover

... given what a mess the GOP has become I suspect that they will cater to the base and lose the moderates... after all if the past few months are any indication the GOP is hell bent on irrelevance.


given what a mess the liberals have become, i suspect that they will cater to their base and lose the moderates, after all, if the past few months are any indictation, the liberals are hell bent on destroying our country

fixed it for you


Isn't this the most constructive debate you've ever seen?



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 06:51 AM
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ER.

How is this news? This guy has NEVER been a conservative. This is "Mr. Magic Bullet" theory himself! The conservatives lost the ability to filibuster at the election.


The crap going on with the mindless al franken proves that this is all rigged.

Remember what stalin said about elections not being controled by the electorate.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 07:05 AM
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That is exactly what I meant when I complained about the quality of posts on this thread.

On to more serious stuff:

Only an idiot or someone with no political savvy whatsoever would think its a good thing to move the GOP to their most extreme base with only 21% self identified Republicans and the right wing less than that.

It is not a formula for anything other than losing elections.

The GOP will come to rue the day that they so alienated their moderate and liberal members.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 07:15 AM
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Arlen Spector switched parties for one reason: who knew he was going to get toasted in his next election. His polling numbers have him down almost 20 points.

Little history Arlen was a Democrat when he first started politics in Philly. Then he saw there were no Republicans running against his position and several Democrats... so he switched to Republican because he knew it would give him a better chance to win. History is repeating itself.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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I stated this before, but there is either a problem with reading comprehension on this thread, or severe impatience to post replies before reading the entire thread...

This is a front. Plain and simple. It doesn't matter what party ANY politician belongs to, there ARE no separate parties. It's a FARCE!

The whole reason the "two" party system remains in place is to divide us, to keep us squabbling over minutae. Look at this thread... TPTB would be proud, their plan is working!

I heard on the radio this morning a quote from Specter... I'm paraphrasing because I can't find the exact wording, so take it with a grain of salt... He said something to the effect of:

"I'm switching parties because I'm not letting my 29 year record with the Senate be ended by the voters of the Republican party."

Take a minute, and let that marinate for a minute... This guy is so full of himself, that he won't let his political career be brought to an end by the will of his constituency?

This guy is such scum. I really wish I could find that quote, as it literally jarred me out of bed this morning!



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 07:31 AM
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I think what is funny in all of this is that the Republican Party, and the Republican public, are neglecting to pay attention to any of the details of this situation and simply keep repeating the same lines, as if they are a magical mantra that will somehow become true....

Arlen Specter says that one of the reasons he left the Republican party is because he feels they are no longer a party he feels comfortable in, that they have moved too far away from the social/economic conservative base that they used to represent....too far to the Right.

The Republicans keep repeating...he left the party because he knew he was going to lose....he left the party because he was never "really" a Republican anyway...he left the party because he cares more about his own political career than the nation...

Now, maybe he did leave because he knew that the Republicans of the state were going to be against him...maybe he is not ready to leave Washington yet...maybe, yes, he is not the type of, lock-step, Republican that the Republican party wants...but HIS rationale is that he left the party because they no longer represent what they used to, they have moved too far to the Right, and he has come to realize that he feels more comfortable as a Democrat because of this shift of base of the Republican party.

So, the focus is being put on Specter, he is the Judas...he is the traitor...when the Republicans, if they want to be relevant again, need to do a little bit of introspection.... A lot of us have been saying it for years that the Republicans were shifting into something new...Specter is just a symptom of this...and, in a sense, his leaving will only help to consolidate this shift...

So, yeah, I say, "bash away, Republicans!" Because all the bashing and name calling and pointing fingers and refusing to take an honest look in the mirror, because after all, when the majority of the population looks at you and say "what the hell is going on with you?" There is nothing wrong with you, its their problem of perception, right? .....is only going serve to strengthen the extremists in the party and cause the moderates and the actual "Conservatives" to continue to flee.....



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 10:45 AM
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What I find amusing is all of you railing against Specter because he is a opportunist...

EXCUSE ME... but he's a politician... of course he's an opportunist. What do you expect?

When Liberman bolted the Democratic Party to become an independent because HE was going to lose in his parties primary I remember reading many comments about him being a man of principle and all that malarky.

If say Al Franken switched parties in the middle of the stream to become a Republican you guys would be praising his move.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by grover
What I find amusing is all of you railing against Specter because he is a opportunist...

EXCUSE ME... but he's a politician... of course he's an opportunist. What do you expect?


Have to agree with you there. Hoping he gets tossed in the next election - along with a bunch of his new "buddies".


When Lieberman bolted the Democratic Party to become an independent because HE was going to lose in his parties primary I remember reading many comments about him being a man of principle and all that malarky.


But refresh us on what you and the other dems here had to say about it.


If say Al Franken switched parties in the middle of the stream to become a Republican you guys would be praising his move.


No, any self-respecting conservative would be vomiting.

Say, grover, what's happened to all your fellow obamaphiles here? Except for you and hunka hunka, there doesn't seem to be any dems left supporting obama and his minions.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 12:08 PM
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hasnt anyone noticed that there is no difference between the republican party and democratic side. this just made it easier to pass bills! we are truly in trouble


umbrella is up



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Say, grover, what's happened to all your fellow obamaphiles here? Except for you and hunka hunka, there doesn't seem to be any dems left supporting obama and his minions.


I'm still in support of Obama and his "minions"...so, up that list to three...and considering that he has a approval rating at the end of his first 100 days of 63%+ on pretty much all the polls...seems like an awful lot of people are still supporting him...



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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I'm still in support of Obama and his "minions"...so, up that list to three...and considering that he has a approval rating at the end of his first 100 days of 63%+ on pretty much all the polls...seems like an awful lot of people are still supporting him...

may i ask a question? what exactly are you in favor of with this administration? is it bowing to the kind of saudi arabia, or the mandatory service resolution, or could go on and on, but really interested to hear what you have to say. i felt mccain and obama were both equally worthless, but my vote was for mccain as he doesnt have to use a telepromter at every speech? just curious!!



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 12:42 PM
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I'm not sure how anyone can be happy about this, whether your democrat or republican. He's an elected official...people voted him in based on his party lines. HE IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MAJORITY!!! Well...he was, anyway. How can he remain in office seeing as though he is no longer what the people voted for?

This is B.S. and he should resign.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by tatersalad


Bowing to Saudi Royalty:
This is a scarecrow issue as far as I am concerned. So many people go on about the Obama “Bowing Incident” as if there is some deep rooted conspiracy of subservience going on. I don’t know what anyone else has been taught, but when, culturally speaking, you are in someone else’s home, you play by their, cultural, rules. George W. Bush kissed the same exact man on State visits and walked around holding his hand…does that imply that they are gay lovers? About as much as Obama’s bowing implies subservience.

This is to completely ignore the direct business connections between the Bush Family and the House of Saud…a case could be, and already has been, made illustrating the economic collusion that exists between the two.

Obama’s “subservience” is the least of our worries.

Mandatory Service Resolution:
I, for one, don’t think it’s a bad idea. An understanding and appreciation of Civil Society in our country has all but evaporated in modern society. Kids graduating high school are leaving with inadequate educations, with no direction, and little or no concern for anyone but themselves, in my opinion. Oh my goodness, the travesty, the horror; the promotion of community service through the PeaceCorps, or through local organizations…its slave labor that these kids should be forced, well not really forced but pushed toward a little bit of community service that they won’t get paid for….the shock and horror that it may cut into the time that they’re sitting in front of the television watching American Idol or America’s Next Top Model…

Where would it stop…its government reprogramming at its worst. Kids will be trained to turn in their parents, to be spies…it’ll be like the Hitler Youth, like Little Commies…

The funny thing is that I was out to dinner with my father a few weeks ago, he is a staunch Republican and a veteran, and he was going on a tangent about how there are so few options for young people today, how they have no direction, no respect, and how this country would be far better off if there was mandatory military service, or something of that nature, for them upon graduation… I added non-military community service, as well as humanitarian service to the equation, which he agreed would be a good idea…and then proceeded to explain to him that the Obama Administration was attempting to push for something very similar to what we were discussing…funny how when someone comes up with an idea, it’s the greatest idea in the world, but when someone else comes up with the same idea, its oppressive and likened to slavery.

…other subjects

Recovery Plan

While it is unfortunate that the tab for the recovery package is incredibly high, at this point and time, it seems to me that the “Standard” plan, at least that which the Republican party tend to hold near and dear to, for economic recovery, IE, Tax-Cuts that mainly benefit the rich and Deregulation that mainly benefit the rich...does not work. It seems to me that that policy of supercapitalist domination has run its course and should be discontinued.

“Conservatives” and Republicans alike love to tout the phrase “tax and spend Liberal” around all of the time, in some derogatory sense…and it works, though anyone who takes a moment to look at the political and economic reality of the phrase and the reality of the society we live in can see it is..well...just being silly. The reality is that in the past 30 (20 of which have seen a Republican President and more than have of which have seen a Republican controlled Congress) years have seen a dramatic increase in the national debt and the deficit, the record spending, up until now(out of desperation to fix the already collapsing economy) have come during Reagan and W. Bush’s Administrations…Clinton was actually a relatively conservative spender, and actually criticized for his cutting of the military budget. Now, H.W. Bush raised taxes(after saying his little “no new taxes” schpeel) and Clinton raised taxes(and saw budget surpluses.) So, Republicans attacking the size of the Recovery package is facetious at best, because, well, the “tax and spend Liberal” does exactly what Republican have, only recently, been crying for the nation to do…they do their best to spend only that which they have collected in taxes. The only alternative to doing so is to do exactly what the last Administration did, and what the current administration is forced to do… Borrow, Borrow, Borrow….which will only have to be paid back in the taxes of future generations.

I agree that a lot of money needs to be invested in Americas infrastructure, on the roads, on the power grid. I agree that government buildings should be made “greener.” I agree that we should invest in Green Technology and that the government should push for a Green Energy Revolution, because the Energy Industry sure as hell won’t. I agree that we need to invest more money in our schools, and in technology in our schools, in order to allow our students to, perhaps regain a competitive edge against Chinese and Indian students in science and maths.

Do I think that some money will be wasted here and there on stupid, unnecessary projects…of course I do…but there is a lot in this nation that has been neglected for far too long…

Healthcare Reform
My GOD, Healthcare need reforming…and I am fully in favor of a nationalized healthcare system. We need to stop allowing insurance companies and BigPharma to dominate medicine. I have experienced nationalized healthcare in England, and I can honestly say that there is nothing wrong with it. If you’re not satisfied with the service provided, which is actually the best healthcare I’ve ever seen, then you’re allowed to pay for your own private practice and coverage…but it is the government’s responsibility to allow for the pursuit of life and liberty….to me, private companies do everything they can to deny it.

If any country can do a nationalized healthcare system, since America is supposed to be the best country out there, it should be us. It is a basic human necessity…


Anyway, this is going way off topic in simply replying to another poster..I'd be happy to discuss this topic further in another thread though...

[edit on 29/4/09 by madhatr137]



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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Did that majority vote for him because of the values he espoused and because of who he is, or simply for his party affiliation?

If they voted for him because of the values that he espoused, knowing that he is a moderate and often a rogue...then even by his shifting parties, the majority is still represented.

If they voted for him simply because of his party affiliation...they are shallow, uninformed voters...and I see no great loss...

But thats just my opinion.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by madhatr137

Mandatory Service Resolution:

Healthcare Reform


I dropped the rest of your well thought out post to forget totally about the topic of the thread (this seems popular on this thread, I'm weak in the face of peer pressure)...

You sir, are a socialist. Neither party matters.

What was the topic again? I forgot, everybody just started squabbling.

[edit on 29/4/09 by cbianchi513]



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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EDIT: double post, sorry.

2nd line, you can't get me again!

[edit on 29/4/09 by cbianchi513]



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by grover



If say Al Franken switched parties in the middle of the stream to become a Republican you guys would be praising his move.


No, any self-respecting conservative would be vomiting.


I said for example... but to make myself more clear if a similar ranking Democrat switched parties in the middle of the stream to become a Republican you guys would be praising his move to the high heavens and you know good and well that is true.

[edit on 29-4-2009 by grover]



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 03:20 PM
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This is actually one of the better things to happen to the Republican party. Think about it for a minute - the Democrats will have their filibuster-proof majority. The rest of us know exactly what the Democrats will do - they will go hog-wild with their insane agendas and stomp all over the Constitution by passing their crazy laws. The move by the Obama administration to limit defendants' rights? That was just a preview of things to come! The Democrats care more about their party ideals than they do the well being of this country and the time from now until the 2010 elections will tell it all.

I say let Congress do as they will. Come 2010 we will have another Congressional election. The Democrats will have pissed off the majority of America with their insane agenda and they will have absolutely no one to pass the blame off upon - not even the media will be able to help them shift the blame onto the conservative right. The rebound effect will result in a serious shift of power to the right in Congress. Then and only then will we have a fair and balanced Obama presidency.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by cbianchi513

You sir, are a socialist. Neither party matters.

[edit on 29/4/09 by cbianchi513]


Am I a socialist? Yes, no, Perhaps.. But that’s the wonderful thing about the idea of democracy, isn’t it? It gets right to the heart of the matter with Arlen Specter’s deserting of the Republicans…

See…in a democracy, people are free to have the ideas that they choose to have. They are free to have the associations, politically and socially, that they choose.

America can adopt some socialist ideas and still be considered a Democracy. Americans can believe in socialist ideas, or even be socialists, and still be Americans and still believe in democracy.

There is nothing that make the two mutually exclusive.

In fact, perhaps the greatest hinderance to our democracy is the system that limits us to being a “two party” state.

Case and point, the farce that has become the “Spectre Betrayel.”



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