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Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter will switch from the Republican to the Democratic Party

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posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by neo67
this broke because of the freaking stupid fly over in ny .

as for spector i have no respect for any politcian

i especially have no repsect for any politican to jump ship .

if you aligned with a party your there because you beleive in the core of the party while you might not agree with everything the party does-you shouldnt in fact. you should work within to keep them on the path they should be.

heres spector trying to keep his job his own power and i hope his constituents see what type of person he is and vote him out.


He believes the core of his party has changed sincce the Reagan era when he was elected. While I do agree that he is switching to keep his job safe, I want to point out that his job is only in jeapordy because he doesn't fit in with the big government, hard right social conservatism that the Republican party has been transforming into over the past few years.

Edit: This is a testament that the GOP needs a dramatic reinvention of style and substance. If they want to remain relevant at a national level, they can't let their party get sucked in by the Bush-era power players. Unfortunately, it looks like they are. Just read about the frustration Olympia Snow and other moderate Republicans have with the party's steady move to the hard right.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by Avenginggecko]




posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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I appreciate your intent, however I would like to point out the fallacy...

Just because I am the only one (so far) on this thread that thinks the ultimate motive for this move may be a SC nomination doesn't mean I'm wrong. Heck, I didn't even come up with the idea, I read the article I linked in a previous post!

As far as the "buster", If what I postulate is in fact reality, this is just window dressing, as Franken has yet to be sworn in. Moot point for now, agreed?

Yes, the implications are far fetched it seems, and quite unnerving... I just don't understand why you accuse me specifically of making incredible statements with this. I feel it's a legitimate angle, and when I'm right, I'll be expecting you to eat crow.



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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With a majority in both houses,the Dem's will have full control no doubt.
However when the house of cards come tumbling down,who will they be able to lay the blame on? Inheritance of a problem has only so long a shelf life. Who will be there to step up to the plate when TSHTF.

The average citizen has become wise to the mating dance of the legislative idiot.The wave of the future looks to be less party affiliation and more practical application.



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by cbianchi513


I'm a republican, or Specter is?

Wrong on both counts toots.

"When we assume things, we make an ass of u and me".


ok you just really hate democrats and obama or really love jesus and rush?

i know you said nothing about jesus ,rush, or obama but im trying to see where you stand on the political issues.

when you take such a strong stance, you must be behind someone in washington.


[edit on 28-4-2009 by elitegamer23]



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23

when you take such a strong stance, you must be behind someone in washington.


[edit on 28-4-2009 by elitegamer23]


Interestingly enough, I can't think of anybody in Washington I can "get behind". I think they all stink of corruption and globalism equally.

I used to be a registered Republican before I woke up. I am now independant.

If anything, I like Adam Kokesh. A staunch Libertarian and patriot. If he ever runs for national office, I'll campaign for him gladly.

As to my apparent passion for the issue... I live just outside Harrisburg, and grew up here.

Arlen Specter has been a pox on my state nearly my entire life, and I just want him exposed as the shyster he truly is.

This latest move is particularly slimy, even for him.



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by cbianchi513


This latest move is particularly slimy, even for him.


he is a politician so yeah its probably a slimy move.

can i ask who you voted for the last two presidential elections?

every independent leans one way .



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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Hey the bush administration went years blaming everything on Clinton and some of them are still trying.


And BTW Specter is right, the GOP has gotten more extreme over the years which is one of the reasons it lost in 06 and 08.

Currently they just sound shrill and hysteric.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by grover]



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 02:34 PM
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Can't agree with you more about Arlen and his slimy qualities. I'd also like to add, that many in his home state regard him as something of a nut job. I cannot begin to understand how the man keeps getting re-elected. It doesn't say much for the intelligence of the average voter.



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 02:35 PM
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He gave an awesome speech. I am very proud. He made some very good points about the party situation and it seems like his switch is not a rash decision. I support Specter and I believe that every Republican should take his message into consideration.

It seems like most people assume all Republicans should be Right-Wing and there's just something very wrong about that. It's almost like part of the Republican party has disappeared.



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 02:38 PM
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Sure... In the last election, McCain... simply because I considered him the lesser of the two evils, and I identify with his veteran's status. I couldn't just "throw away" my vote by voting for Paul, although he was clearly the more appropriate choice in my case.

The previous election I was deployed, and did not cast an absentee ballot. Where was my sense of civic duty? Somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea or Indian Ocean most likely.



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 02:41 PM
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What's it matter?

Is the whole world going to change because of Arlen Spector?

Ummm...NO.

I suppose some of you would think it makes a difference...if you actually believe that our 2 party system even works.

It doesn't.

Look at our economy...look at our borders...look at our wars.

I see NO DIFFERENCE.

It's all crap...ALL THE TIME.



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by ravenshadow13
It seems like most people assume all Republicans should be Right-Wing and there's just something very wrong about that. It's almost like part of the Republican party has disappeared.


A star for you... I couldn't agree more.

People forget that there used to be strong liberal and moderate branches of the Republican party and they kept them balanced just like liberal, moderate and conservative branches of any party including the Democratic party.

But what has happened since Reagan is that the liberal and moderate branches have been forced out, marginalized or just plain silenced much to the deterrment of the party.

As it stands right now Nixon would be too liberal for many in the GOP now, especially in the house. The GOP there seems to have been taken over by escapees from the funny farm. Real loons some of them.



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by grover
reply to post by daddyroo45
 


Hey the bush administration went years blaming everything on Clinton and some of them are still trying.


And BTW Specter is right, the GOP has gotten more extreme over the years which is one of the reasons it lost in 06 and 08.

Currently they just sound shrill and hysteric.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by grover]


Add that to the fact that the US simply is changing at an idealogical level that leaves hard-right Republicans behind if they refuse to budge on issues.

They are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. The Bush-era neocons got them in to power, and some of those holdovers were allowed to infiltrate deep in the party and exhibit a disproportionate amount of influence on elected officials.

At a state or district level, they may depend on the money from these groups to get elected, but at a national level the country has undergone a fundamental change in our mindsets...when you can make the mortgage on your house, have a job, and an expendable income, then you have the time to worry about gays getting married and women having abortions...but when the foundations of your life become corrupted or taken from beneath your feet, you just don't care about that stuff any more.



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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Really, it matters because it's just another piece of the big picture. I know as well as you that the two party system is a farce designed to keep We, the People at each others' throats... Just go back and look at some of the posts in this thread!

As far as relevance to me personally... Well, like I said earlier, look where I live.



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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Olympia Snowe of Maine has said regarding Specter and his switch and I think this cuts to the heart of the matter:


"I've always been deeply concerned about the views of the Republican Party nationally in terms of their exclusionary policies and views towards moderate Republicans," said Snowe, who has been approached, she said, by Democrats in the past about switching parties.

Specter's switch to the Democratic Party "underscores the blunt reality" that the GOP is not a welcome place for moderates, she said.

So far, she said, she's staying put. "I believe in the traditional tenets of the Republican Party: strong national defense, fiscal responsibility, individual opportunity. I haven't abandoned those principles that have been the essence of the Republican Party. I think the Republican Party has abandoned those principles.

www.huffingtonpost.com...


In conjuncture to this is this comment from mush loosebowels:


Acid-tongued conservatives have long viewed Specter as an Independent or even a Democrat in GOP clothing. And so when the Pennsylvania Republican announced that the R after his name would be changed to a D, the response was to celebrate the purge of moderation.

"A lot of people said, well Specter, take McCain with you, and his daughter. Take McCain and his daughter with you," talk show host Rush Limbaugh declared during the early hour of his Tuesday program.

www.huffingtonpost.com...


And it is exactly this hostility to moderates is why the GOP has alienated voters.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by grover]



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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I'm just getting tired of it all. It's old..people are still not waking up to the nonsense...nothing ever freaking changes.

People need to swallow their freaking pride for the party they stand for and start standing for THE PEOPLE.

Read...learn...find out what is really happening to this country and how much trouble we are in...and DEMAND change.

I wasn't pointing my post towards anyone particular btw....was just sharing my opinion.

The guy is just doing it to get Democratic votes to stay in office.

It's all a sham.

People are going to vote him in just because of the big fat D next to his name on the ballot...and others will vote against him because of it.

He knows it....we all know it.

BTW...

SHepard Smith on Fox news is going freaking berzerk over the Spine Flu.

Just spread the panic buddy...NO ONE HAS DIED HERE YET.

Settle down man!!



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 03:00 PM
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Yeah, I'm watching him spew fear too, and listening to Alex Jones do the same on the radio... quite the multitasker today!

Man, I totally feel your frustration. I try to wake people up too, and see similar results as you. You can lead a horse to water... you know the rest.

Like I said, this IS important. It's part of the big picture. It's not in total focus yet, be patient.



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 03:28 PM
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…Et Tu Sepcter!

In a daringly, deviant and defiant move, Arlen Specter has switched sides…facing opposition from inside his own party in his fast approaching, well, relatively fast, re-election bid in 2010, Arlen Specter has done what will make him go down as a turncoat, a traitor…okay, lets face it, the die-hard republicans, you know the ones who listen to Rush Limbaugh, watch FoxNews and conveniently have a some form of collective amnesia forcing them to forget about the past 8 years of American EPIC FAIL…they have all been labeling Specter as a traitor since he helped pass Obama’s bail-out…really, he’s not been a conservative favorite for many many years, mainly because he’s been a voice of reason. Anyhow.

How does this effect the Republican party? Big-time, I think… Despite the fact that he’s not one of their favorites, he’s has served as a figurehead, for a long time, for the Right-wing’s somewhat more rational middle…his defection will only, I think, push the party farther to the right, and in doing so, hopefully, in my opinion, further illustrate their political isolation and lack of relevancy in today’s world.

Honestly, what is the best thing that the Republicans have going for them at the moment? As usual, they’re relying on their staples of fear and anger…no real ideas…nothing moderate…just extreme fear and anger…with no self-reflection.


The economy is failing, what are your ideas?
Republican: Well, we could cut taxes!
But we’ve been doing that for the past 8 years?
Republican: Well, we’ve not cut enough…cut some more!
Do you really think that is going to work, its kind of the reason the economy is collapsing?
Republican: Cut Taxes!
Democrat: …I think that…
Republican: No! It’s a horrible idea, you Socialist!
Democrat: …but, what if we redevelop the infrastructure of the country, therefore creating jobs for the Americans that are out of work, rebuilding the highways, electrical grids and networks, and while we’re at it, we could invest in Alternative Energy programs that would create development in the Green Energy Industry, inside of America?
Republican: You stupid fascist, communist, socialist, swine….Alternative Energy Technology isn’t developed enough to make a difference, don’t even bother investing in it with the tax money you should be cutting! If you want to fix the Energy market, the Financial market, the Industrial market, fix ANYTHING…the best thing to do will be to deregulate it further and let it take care of itself…what is good for the markets is good for America…! …even if those markets turn around and screw Americans at every turn.

Rinse, repeat ad infinitum – mix the general gist up with whatever details you choose…


Okay, yeah, I’m being facetious…but the point is, that’s the past of the Republican party, it’s the present, and it is going to continue to be the future…and America is tired of this…

Specter was one of the few out there on the Republican side who sat in the middle…who tried to find a compromise…one of the few I had at least an ounce of respect for…now, they don’t have him…granted, he’ll only be moderate Democrat…and granted, the more extreme of the Democrats act very much in the same way as their counterparts in the Republican party…but still…we will see what happens in the midterms…which are so far away that anyone trying to make predictions in regards to their outcome is just being delusional.


[edit on 28/4/09 by madhatr137]

...but if we believe this is a Democratic nation, and if we believe the votes matter, and if he is re-elected....it sends a big message to the right....at least to the PA Republicans...the people in Arlen Specter's constituency would rather have him as the fence-sitting, turncoated, self-preserving, unpredictable, old, SOB that he is as their representative than a Republican.

[edit on 28/4/09 by madhatr137]



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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What I am curious about is where Republicans get their candidates from? I mean some in the house should really have an had intelligence test first.

If the Republicans really want to help themselves and hurt the Democrats they could get Michelle Bachmann to switch parties... That would really be a low blow though...

What rock was she found under anyway?

You lose the intelligent and experienced ones and keep the idiots... How is that a winning formula?

[edit on 28-4-2009 by grover]



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23


200k ? could that be the price of each innocent civilian killed in iraq by the gop , bush, and cheney?






But who is it that's killing the innocents now in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan?

Answer: the "messiah" (obama)



[edit on 4/28/2009 by centurion1211]



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