Turkey hopes to buy S-400 air defense systems from Russia, page 1
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reply posted on 28-4-2009 @ 07:18 AM by maloy
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Israel showed what a skillful and resource rich military can do to such systems when it raided Syria unchallenged and destroyed its would be reactor.


Some sources indicate that many Syrian SAM sites were not operational, and those defenses that were operational were not spread out effectively, thereby allowing Israel to simply fly out of range of Syrian SAMs.

Fact is, no one really knows what the state of Syrian defenses were at the time. Thus you cannot make a conclusion about the effectiveness of the Russian SAM systems. And Israel still appears very concerned about the fact that Syria and Iran are looking to acquire S-400. Why the level of concern if the systems pose no threat to Israeli airforce incursions?


Originally posted by WestPoint23
Things have progressed, claimed specifications make for nice selling points. However if its networks, even closed ones, are vulnerable to standoff infiltration then it's just another target on the ground.


That is all true. This is the reason why Russian air defense never relies on just one system, but several different SAM systems, each providing a different level of protection from different threats. Syrian, Iranian, and Turkish air defenses will never be as developed as those Russia has domestically.


Originally posted by WestPoint23
Furthermore, Russia is not going to sell Turkey an S-400 unit, the profit to risk ratio of such a sale is out of whack.


Well if depends on what political concessions it can get from Turkey. Turkey has a lot to offer to Russia in this sense, and I don't see why such sale is not possible. Perhaps the S-400 will be dumbed down somewhat for export.


reply posted on 28-4-2009 @ 02:17 PM by Harlequin
reply to post by WestPoint23



and as has been proven by amoungst others , planeman , the IAF flew through an area with 0 SAM cover.

as for the `so called` reactor.

the IAEA has said nothing of the sort and they went there.

so the only claim was the terrorist action by israel.



reply posted on 6-5-2009 @ 06:17 AM by theblunttruth
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au contraire. The IAEA actually found significant traces of Uranium deemed uncharacteristic of any possible plant on Israels part. I'm sure you'll insist that Israel bombed the random place out of pure unguided "teroristic" aggression. Just amazing how they managed to bomb just one place with proven uranium traces huh, risking their own planes and pilots in process..

IAEA Findings

[edit on 6-5-2009 by theblunttruth]


reply posted on 8-5-2009 @ 07:19 AM by Harlequin
reply to post by theblunttruth



lets play this game of yours:

stressing an IAEA investigation of Syria remained inconclusive


and

"We are sure it is man-made graphite but not yet sure if it has specifications of nuclear-grade graphite," he said



and


He also urged Israel and other states to share information to help the IAEA in its probe including satellite imagery and agree to let inspectors share this information with Syria


all quotes from your link - the IAEA haven`t found anything or rather haven`t said anything about what they have found.

israel haven`t said anything to the IAEA except that they attacked another country in an act of state sponsored terrorism.
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